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The great and ongoing immigration debate; I'm a 55 yo Aussie with all 4 grandparents and both parents born here
Topic Started: 8 Dec 2013, 07:45 PM (5,063 Views)
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If bringing in more migrants with strong family values and work ethics (like those of my immediate forebears) helps Oz society return to being just a bit more fundamentally similar to the society of my forebears in those respects (as opposed to the heavily handout dependant/reliant one we have since become), I can see that, handled well, it potentially has quite a lot going for it.
A Professional Demographer to an amateur demographer: "negative natural increase will never outweigh the positive net migration"
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BeN 'n Moops 'n CSI don't seem ta want ta talk ta me here?

No probs - I've still got some questions for them here anyway :

* Do you and yours have strong family values and work ethics?

* Are you genuinely happy and confident to compete with 'all comers' so to speak?

* Or do you desire to be protected, propped up, supported ... 'nurtured' even? - In what now VERY obviously is a very full-on and competitive world? (China moving away from isolationist Communism has brought another half a billion workers into the global economy period! ... To be COMPETED against ... :re: )

* Indeed, DO you think you 'deserve' to be " protected, propped up, supported ... 'nurtured' even"?

* And IF it should happen to be the case that you do(?), can you hazard ANY sort of a guess as to WHY you might think like this?

As I surely AM interested ...
Edited by herbie, 8 Dec 2013, 09:54 PM.
A Professional Demographer to an amateur demographer: "negative natural increase will never outweigh the positive net migration"
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herbie
8 Dec 2013, 07:45 PM
If bringing in more migrants with strong family values and work ethics (like those of my immediate forebears) helps Oz society return to being just a bit more fundamentally similar to the society of my forebears in those respects (as opposed to the heavily handout dependant/reliant one we have since become), I can see that, handled well, it potentially has quite a lot going for it.
According to all the wogs I know the second generation starts going down. They prefer skips because they are better workers. I recall another wog saying in business he always found Skips surprisingly honest, his own people lying all the time.

Which patch of sand have you got your head buried in?

But I despise people like you hate our nation. I couldn't give a damn about a persons race or origins. All I demand is they respect our cultural values and identity.
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!!
You are no longer customer, you are property!!!

Don't be SAUCY with me Bernaisse
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herbie
8 Dec 2013, 07:45 PM
If bringing in more migrants with strong family values and work ethics (like those of my immediate forebears) helps Oz society return to being just a bit more fundamentally similar to the society of my forebears in those respects (as opposed to the heavily handout dependant/reliant one we have since become), I can see that, handled well, it potentially has quite a lot going for it.
Can you produce some evidence that would back this up Herbie. You seem to think that because other cultures are more "family orientated" that we will somehow return to the 50's of mum at home and dad at work if we ramp up immigration from other countries. The younger generation are a disappointment so let's recruit some fresh talent that might perform better.
You need to ask yourself how we got to this place whereby you think our society has become heavily handout dependent.
We share the same genetics as previous generations so any blame has to be apportioned to those that have raised the generations following.
It never makes sense to me when I hear older people complain about the younger generations as though they hatched out of an egg and grew up weird.
Maybe blame "society" or the increasingly materialism, the bullshit media and the failure of older generations to guide those that come next.
You're kidding yourself.
Give these new recruits a couple of generations and they will be no different to any third generation Aussies now.
And I would also add that a major part of the attraction for immigrants is the social welfare net, the free healthcare and schools so by design we are probably encouraging th wrong type of people to come here.
Only a rat can win a rat race.

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herbie
8 Dec 2013, 09:50 PM
* Are you genuinely happy and confident to compete with 'all comers' so to speak?

Well, it's the height of cowardice to say things like that when you didn't have to. Not only that, you've made shit loads of money out of the "grow and hope" economy of the last 20-30 years or so.

People usually talk through their wallet don't they. I'm no exception.

The simple fact is if 457s were restricted to a reasonable degree my pay would go up by 30%, maybe even more, maybe double, overnight, and if immigration was reduced to a reasonable amount house prices would crash overnight too.

The thing is I think that's fair. Friggen year ten dropouts and all sorts of people who haven't done nearly as hard a yards as me are getting either not much less than me or more than me. Any civilised person would see this as very wrong.

I would simply be able to acquire the slightly upper middle class lifestyle I am entitled to.
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Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
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themoops
8 Dec 2013, 10:26 PM
you've made shit loads of money out of the "grow and hope" economy of the last 20-30 years or so.
after the first 10 years i'd say it stops being a case of needing to hope.




themoops
8 Dec 2013, 10:26 PM
The simple fact is if 457s were restricted to a reasonable degree my pay would go up by 30%, maybe even more, maybe double, overnight, and if immigration was reduced to a reasonable amount house prices would crash overnight too.
and a unicorn might run down a rainbow carrying adriana lima to me in the night.

they have about the same odds of happening.
Edited by Pig Iron, 8 Dec 2013, 10:41 PM.
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8 Dec 2013, 10:39 PM
after the first 10 years i'd say it stops being a case of needing to hope.


Well it is "grow and hope" because we don't do anything besides sell houses to each other, mining and agriculture.

Moron.
Pig Iron
8 Dec 2013, 10:39 PM

and a unicorn might run down a rainbow carrying adriana lima to me in the night.

they have about the same odds of happening.
That's not the point.

This thread is being derailed by a low life already.

This is why no one wanted to speak about it Herbie.
Edited by themoops, 8 Dec 2013, 10:43 PM.
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Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
See here
Property will be 50-70% off by 2016.
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themoops
8 Dec 2013, 10:41 PM
Well it is "grow and hope" because we don't do anything besides sell houses to each other, mining and agriculture.

Moron.
stop signing off as a moron, surely things aren't that bad for you?
themoops
8 Dec 2013, 10:41 PM
That's not the point.

This thread is being derailed by a low life already.

This is why no one wanted to speak about it Herbie.
that's exactly the point - your expectations are far too high. all this hand wringing about how you'd be so much better off over night if the nasty immigrants just stopped coming is your undoing moops.

it's pathetic bullshit. people create wealth and opportunity. if there were no people there would be no opportunity.
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8 Dec 2013, 10:47 PM
stop signing off as a moron, surely things aren't that bad for you?

that's exactly the point - your expectations are far too high. all this hand wringing about how you'd be so much better off over night if the nasty immigrants just stopped coming is your undoing moops.

it's pathetic bullshit. people create wealth and opportunity. if there were no people there would be no opportunity.
go away scum. Your posts are just intellectual pollution. I'm not even going to talk to you anymore.
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Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
See here
Property will be 50-70% off by 2016.
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And still nobody is prepared to offer a figure that they think is appropriate for immigration.
Would 1 million a year suit your needs Piggy.
Just think how much opportunity that would bring.
Just open the floodgates.
Only a rat can win a rat race.

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