Now you are talking, if they use uranium it would power the car for 1,000 years. But hey you got to walk before you can run. But then we get global cooling, bang there goes the planet. Peter :pop:
That's what I thought as well, but further research turned up that the Thorium-U233 breeding took place in other reactors - i.e. the entire process did use thorium and only thorium as a fuel, but the breeder reactor and the power reactor were separate devices.
The whole thorium lobby seems to me to be just a little dishonest about what has already been achieved. This is a shame, because the thorium cycle promises to go a long way towards solving two of the less tractable problems of nukes - i.e. proliferation and waste storage.
Sorensen has a company that researches the development of Thorium process called Flibe Energy. It produces research but little income and he would like you to invest. He acts as if the thorium breeder is just around the corner but it isn't. He is behaving like a showman. A thorium rod has to be enriched with naturally occurring 235 for it to work. If there was a true breeder then the process would create more 233 than gets burned and the world be your oyster.
As things stand they may as well just stick with Uranium rods.
foxbat101
5 Dec 2013, 02:22 AM
Now you are talking, if they use uranium it would power the car for 1,000 years. But hey you got to walk before you can run. But then we get global cooling, bang there goes the planet. Peter :pop:
The problem is we have neither breeder reactors, nor can they be built small enough to fit in anything as small as a car.
As things stand they may as well just stick with Uranium rods.
Not if you don't have Uranium reserves. That's why China has 140 PhDs working today on getting to full-scale Thorium MSRs operational by about 2030.
First stage research reactor is scheduled to be built next year. India is also active here because, like China, they have little Uranium but heaps of Thorium.
BTW the Shippingport third reactor used Th232/U233 as its fuel and at the end of its life it had more fissile material than it had when it started, so a Thorium breeder reactor with a breeding factor >1 has in fact been built and operated for 5 years.
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Presently the critical factor is the amount of U 235 in the world. A heavy water reactor will create 80% of U 235 over the input of naturally occurring 235. For all practical purposes it simply expands the world supply of U 235 by adding another 80%. Thorium is no more useful than the supply of depleted Uranium at this stage for energy.
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Presently the critical factor is the amount of U 235 in the world. A heavy water reactor will create 80% of U 235 over the input of naturally occurring 235. For all practical purposes it simply expands the world supply of U 235 by adding another 80%. Thorium is no more useful than the supply of depleted Uranium at this stage for energy.
In fact the shippingport light water Breeder reactor was a success story.
Presently the critical factor is the amount of U 235 in the world. A heavy water reactor will create 80% of U 235 over the input of naturally occurring 235. For all practical purposes it simply expands the world supply of U 235 by adding another 80%. Thorium is no more useful than the supply of depleted Uranium at this stage for energy.
Depends on your point of view. India and China basically have no Uranium, but they have heaps of Thorium. They would say that the amount of fuel they can reliably get is a critical factor.
Of course you could build fast breeder reactors and essentially make your own U235, but they have their issues as well, in particular the amount of plutonium they produce.
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Yes, there are challenges yet to be conquered, yes, the technology isn't ready for mass production. Yes I am talking out of my arse.
Why don't you go back to the start of the thread and put all your opinions into context.
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An engine being developed in the US could result in cars that run for 100 years on just a single fuel fill-up.
If you do that you will quickly realize that it is all a crock of shit, like every other star trek dream of solving our oil dependency. We have been putting petrol into cars for 100 years and talking about using a different energy source for over 40 of those years. The result? We still put petrol into cars.
I am tired of hearing all these cornicopian dreams debated as though they will ever see the light of day, they will never make it into prouction to even have a chance of going the way of the Concorde and the Space Shuttle.
You are a dreamer.
Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market. What else is he wrong about?
If you do that you will quickly realize that it is all a crock of shit, like every other star trek dream of solving our oil dependency. We have been putting petrol into cars for 100 years and talking about using a different energy source for over 40 of those years. The result? We still put petrol into cars.
I am tired of hearing all these cornicopian dreams debated as though they will ever see the light of day, they will never make it into prouction to even have a chance of going the way of the Concorde and the Space Shuttle.
You are a dreamer.
Wow, so dreaming of a future where we are not beholden to the oil companies is somehow to be ridiculed?
Have you ever thought why such alternative fuels never took flight?
Could it be due to the fact that oil was the cheapest, easiest material to use? That we have have created an entire industry to support its manufacture and its use?
The battery technology is in existence to allow electric vehicles to be cheap and powerful, yet who owns the rights to those batteries? The oil companies.
GM created the EV1, it wasn't a concept car in 1996, there were over 1000 units in use. Chevron (the oil company) owns the patents for the NiMH battery used in the EV1.
Tesla Motors makes the Model S (sedan) and Model X (SUV).
With less moving parts in an electric engine, there are fewer things to break or go wrong, which would leave a great many auto mechanics out of a job.
Whether we have 10 years or 500 years, oil will eventually run dry, I would rather we investigate and perhaps even use technologies to wean us off a dependence of oil.
Oil is becoming more expensive, it may not yet be economical to not use it, but that day is coming, would you want us to have to quickly find alternatives when that day comes, or have something in the back to show you before it arrives?
The Star Trek analogy is stupid too, in the story, fossil fuels were used right up until 2061. Though we already have pads (iPads), Hyposprays (Jet Injectors), Communicators (Mobile Phone), Uhuras Earpiece (Bluetooth earpiece), Touch screens. They are working on Tri-Corders, for both scientific and medical use. They're also working on holography.
But basically, you're saying everyone should just give up dreaming, that it's not going to happen and things will just stay the same.
What is so wrong with dreaming?
By the way, it's Cornucopian.
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We have been putting petrol into cars for 100 years and talking about using a different energy source for over 40 of those years. The result? We still put petrol into cars.
Ever heard of battery powered cars and Hydogen powered cars dickhead
There have possibly been many energy sources played with over the years that have mysteriously disappeared possibly to materialise again when their is a shitload of money to made off of them
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Nondestructive assay of 524 fuel rods determined that 1.39 percent more fissile fuel was present at the end of core life than at the beginning, proving that breeding had occurred.
How may 235 atoms were sacrificed to make the rods in the first place?
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