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Andrew Judd
4 Dec 2013, 11:05 PM
For a thorium reactor there is no requirement that it creates more fissile material than it uses. All it has to do is consume thorium, create Uranium and consume Uranium.

But then it isn't a Thorium reactor, but rather a Hybrid. And for that matter there is so much depleted Uranium around that Thorium offers no benefits.

But for LFTR, it has to be breeder.
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>>For a thorium reactor there is no requirement that it creates more fissile material than it uses. All it has to do is consume thorium, create Uranium and consume Uranium.

Count du Monet
4 Dec 2013, 11:23 PM
But then it isn't a Thorium reactor, but rather a Hybrid. And for that matter there is so much depleted Uranium around that Thorium offers no benefits.

But for LFTR, it has to be breeder.
???

A liquid fuelled Thorium reactor will always be a 'breeder' and consumer of Uranium 233

The longer term 'holy grail' is to be able to produce a Thorium fuelled reactor that will only have Thorium added to it over the lifetime of the reactor.
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Andrew Judd
4 Dec 2013, 11:28 PM
???

A liquid fuelled Thorium reactor will always be a 'breeder' and consumer of Uranium 233

The longer term 'holy grail' is to be able to produce a Thorium fuelled reactor that will only have Thorium added to it over the lifetime of the reactor.
Breeder means, producing more fissile material than it consumes. All reactors of any variety produced fissile materiel, I said this earlier on.

There is no point in Thorium when the we got depleted Uranium.
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Count du Monet
4 Dec 2013, 11:36 PM
Breeder means, producing more fissile material than it consumes. All reactors of any variety produced fissile materiel, I said this earlier on.

There is no point in Thorium when the we got depleted Uranium.
You are mixing apples and pears, but i might have used breeder incorrectly earlier.

Thorium may offer benefits over Uranium.

India for example has plenty of Thorium, Thorium MOX may be better than Uranium MOX.

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Lol you guys are either experts on everything or completely full of shyte. :pop:
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Andrew Judd
4 Dec 2013, 11:41 PM
You are mixing apples and pears, but i might have used breeder incorrectly earlier.

Thorium may offer benefits over Uranium.

India for example has plenty of Thorium, Thorium MOX may be better than Uranium MOX.
Let me know when we run out of Uranium waste.
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Count du Monet
4 Dec 2013, 11:47 PM
Let me know when we run out of Uranium waste.
???

The point is that Thorium may have significant advantageous over the very long term compared to U

Consuming U now to create problems later might not make much sense at all.

Oil is still pretty cheap anyway.
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Andrew Judd
4 Dec 2013, 11:22 PM
Kulgaris

You began here telling us that Thorium had an established proven experimental reactor design.

At the moment we are looking for one single Thorium breeder reactor design

Pig Iron is in denial

Count has comprehensively wiped the floor on this one so far.
Frelling hell, a breeder is a reactor
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Kulganis
5 Dec 2013, 12:12 AM
Frelling hell, a breeder is a reactor
???

Please provide a link to a previously or existing working Thorium reactor.

There do not appear to be any to date.

So far you have produced a video of a discussion of a molten salt uranium reactor, built as a mock up of a proof of concept for thorium, and a link to another uranium reactor.

Pig iron has provided a link to a Uranium reactor


Just provide a link to a Thorium reactor
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The Molten Salt Reactor that they built at Oak Ridge was a Thorium Breeder Reactor, it used Thorium to breed Uranium-233, they actually built it and ran it for 5 years.
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