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Andrew Judd
7 Dec 2013, 08:31 AM


Come on! Why make life so difficult?
Life wasn't meant to be easy? Even Budda one of the greatest minds in history decided "fuck it all I'm going for annihilation".

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Nondestructive assay of 524 fuel rods determined that 1.39 percent more fissile fuel was present at the end of core life than at the beginning, proving that breeding had occurred.


Did you notice the word "non destructive". In other words reprocessing would mean that it was still well below 100%.

Pushing the curve is always difficult.

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Yes if ample fissile Uranium remains Thorium breeders are a none starter, but at least produce something that recognises you are capable of correcting your mistakes. For days you have been acting like you are an authority on this subject while continuing incorrectly saying the molten salt reactor was a hybrid! And you seem to be bending over backwards to avoid a successful Thorium breeder from being allowed to exist!


One doesn't exist presently, that is the problem. And even if it did it would still be more expensive.

I might be wrong and the process wasn't hybrid. But running U233 around with other molten salts isn't going anywhere.

As I said, an optimal Thorium breeder isn't there, let alone shrinking it down to fit in a car.
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Count du Monet
7 Dec 2013, 10:27 AM
Life wasn't meant to be easy? Even Budda one of the greatest minds in history decided "fuck it all I'm going for annihilation".




Did you notice the word "non destructive". In other words reprocessing would mean that it was still well below 100%.

Pushing the curve is always difficult.




One doesn't exist presently, that is the problem. And even if it did it would still be more expensive.

I might be wrong and the process wasn't hybrid. But running U233 around with other molten salts isn't going anywhere.

As I said, an optimal Thorium breeder isn't there, let alone shrinking it down to fit in a car.
17 of the rods were destructively tested.

http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/5561162

"Proof of breeding in the Light Water Breeder Reactor (LWBR Development Program)
The Light Water Breeder Reactor (LWBR) was developed to demonstrate practical breeding while producing electrical energy in a commercial pressurized water reactor generating station."


The previously pure Thorium blanket was found to have 8% U233 so it is not clear to me to what degree the fuel in these rods would require extensive processing to be useable as new fuel, particularly when the reactor only ran for 5 years.


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The increase in fissile fuel during core life was 1.39% +- 0.14%, in close agreement


The problem is reprocessing the cores won't give them all that. And reprocessing involves removing plutonium and other elements. A lot more tricky than simply enriching Uranium to a higher percentage content of isotope 235.

http://ieer.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/thorium2009factsheet.pdf
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7 Dec 2013, 09:01 AM


Today an ordinary person can afford to have a 10cm diameter directional well drilled 300m thru the hardest granite on Earth and it only takes a day for it to be done, necessarily our ability to reach fuel has been transformed by technology and there is no reason the progress will not continue.
Until the wells are all dry at least. Then we will have uneconomic thorium reactors and most of us will be back in the corn fields. BTW, Corn is grown using things like Roundup, which is made of oil (a petro chemical) and modern fertilizers made from natural gas and other resources hard to extract without oil. Try doing that with thorium.

Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market.
What else is he wrong about?
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7 Dec 2013, 12:33 PM


The problem is reprocessing the cores won't give them all that. And reprocessing involves removing plutonium and other elements. A lot more tricky than simply enriching Uranium to a higher percentage content of isotope 235.

http://ieer.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/thorium2009factsheet.pdf
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You are continuing to insist on mixing apples and pears!

The reactor only ran for a few years! So if it runs for 30 years they can expect to get at least 6 times 1.4% or around 8% enrichment and in the blanket they found 8% enrichment and this was the first attempt ever!

As far as i can see Plutonium cannot be created in a Thorium reactor??

Enriching Uranium is a hugely expensive task because the isotopes are essentially chemically identical and can only be separated by physical means on a vast scale. Therefore some aspects of Thoriums costs can offset some of Uraniums costs!

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However as already pointed out if Natural Uranium remains plentiful then a Thorium breeder is likely to be a none starter, and the difficulties in building a single liquid fuel Thorium breeder are formidable indeed - to the point that it is getting into the realm of dreams - which is why the ORNL experiment was proposing a two liquid reactor with a liquid blanket.



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7 Dec 2013, 05:26 PM
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As far as i can see Plutonium cannot be created in a Thorium reactor??




Well it ain't pure Thorium is it, the fissile material is uranium. However plenty of nasty stuff if not plutonium anyway, this is what fast breeding will do.

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The reactor only ran for a few years! So if it runs for 30 years they can expect to get at least 6 times 1.4% or around 8% enrichment and in the blanket they found 8% enrichment and this was the first attempt ever!


The rods are replaced about every 5 or 6 years. The problem is there is a range of isotopes of various kinds to deal with and varying levels of danger.
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7 Dec 2013, 04:26 AM
So what's wrong with diverting water into personal storage? Did you know that Waterborne diseases are on the rise in the US? Dengue fever, West Nile encephalitis, etc. Perhaps the government are trying to crack down because of this. 60 years ago mosquitos were in plague proportions in brisbane and they banned all home water tanks because of it. Now the tanks are back but they have good screens that prevent bugs getting in and we have filters that can remove pathogenic microbes if we want to drink it.
Or it could just be that you need water rights to be able to divert water from a gazetted stream just like in oz.
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7 Dec 2013, 06:55 PM
Or it could just be that you need water rights to be able to divert water from a gazetted stream just like in oz.
They control the run off, the water company will charge you if you collect rainwater off your roof in tanks. Been the case since year dot.

A big issue well demonstrated in the latter day parody of Alexander the Great, when Sean Connery conquers a mysterious country located between Afghanistan and Tibet. Rising to power of the back of native disputes over water rights. "The Man who would be King", which featured a way more attractive Roxanne than in the more recent "Alexander the Great".



Sunlight can become and issue if an adjacent building blocks it. But sunlight "run off" is a new one.

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7 Dec 2013, 06:46 PM


Well it ain't pure Thorium is it, the fissile material is uranium. However plenty of nasty stuff if not plutonium anyway, this is what fast breeding will do.




The rods are replaced about every 5 or 6 years. The problem is there is a range of isotopes of various kinds to deal with and varying levels of danger.
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what point are you making?? As far as i can see Plutonium cannot be created in a Thorium reactor. Obviously U233 is present in a Thorium reactor!!

What point are you making about the rods requiring changing?? After 30 years there will be about 8% extra U233 than they began with!!


You have already been shown to have had a few incorrect ideas. No doubt there are more to be found on this same topic where your private ideas seem far more important to you than what reality can reveal to you.

Even on the topic of your hybrid claim you were unable to make a simple concession you were wrong. And so it goes on. And on. And on.

Just like with Banking where your private theories are the only thing you will focus upon.
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What point are you making about the rods requiring changing?? After 30 years there will be about 8% extra U233 than they began with!!


If a rod could stay in reactor for 30 years, life would be very simple. If you can't figure this one out you'd never make it in engineering. And actually for the most part they use U 235 to start the reaction. And we don't how much U 238 was used as well.

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You have already been shown to have had a few incorrect ideas


I have few of them, but I know a reactor small enough to fit in a car is science fiction which beats everybody on this site.

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Even on the topic of your hybrid claim you were unable to make a simple concession you were wrong. And so it goes on. And on. And on.


Can't know that without precise breakdown for the fuel in each test. But the issue was something different.

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Just like with Banking where your private theories are the only thing you will focus upon.


For a dollar to come out of the box, one had to have gone in. Simple logic beyond you? It is just so tarded!





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