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Immigrants don't care about Australia, they only work here to get an Aussie passport and earn money
Topic Started: 3 Dec 2013, 03:45 PM (4,792 Views)
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I happened to have lunch yesterday with a chief from one of Victoria’s migrant bodies, who has pretty good exposure to the issues across the board. We were chatting about the number of migrants buying businesses or setting them up when they migrate (and what sort of businesses they are moving into). I asked ‘What sort of businesses are migrants moving into? How difficult are they finding it? How has that changed since the GFC?’

I’ve transcribed his response.

"Absolutely nobody is moving here to go into business per se. The only exceptions are really the medical professionals – dentists, doctors, specialists – who can get Australian professional accreditation through a straightforward process. Although sometimes this is very long it is usually clear. Some accountants can easily convert international qualifications, and many have qualifications inside Australia. There are few lawyers, engineering professions have a lot of problems unless they are from the Anglosphere, North America, EU, there are quite a few with skills in IT who start small businesses, but it is a very mature market and quite saturated. None of them are expecting to really make money, as opposed to making an ordinary living, and many can work from home.

Apart from that there are many migrants buying businesses, but almost none of them think the business is doing anything more than justifying applying for a migrant visa and a step towards being an Australian passport holder. It is a price to pay for an Australian passport, nothing more nothing less – and that is how they see it.

There are many different types of migrants as you would be aware, but the biggest factor is the access to money they have. In this regard the number of Chinese migrants who obviously have access to significant sums is a relatively new phenomena – I did a lot of work with Chinese about 10-15 years ago and it was a different type of migrant then – they had the skills or a real determination to be in another country. Now they often have the money, or someone close to them does, and they often see their time in Australia as something which may see them returning to their country if they need to make more money – I am sure there are still many Chinese as of old, but the number with quite significant sums money is noticeable even within the migrant world. Even they, in Australia, are generally not looking to buy a business so much as to grow it but rather to sustain it. It often has more appeal if they can employ people in the business, and more so if they can justify employing friends and family from back in their homeland.

But outside this most migrants are not coming here with lots of money. Most real migrants have sold their house in their home nation, and have found that in Australia housing costs alone will mean they are experiencing a lower quality of life – sure the services and parks and some other things may be better, but the actual home experience, in a house with their family, is often worse. When they start a business they are looking for something they can do which they have some familiarity with. Low complexity retailing and restaurants are very popular. But there are numerous families running shops in and around Melbourne – and even in Ballarat and Bendigo and beyond, of course Geelong too, and they are running on margins that no serious business would consider. I know of families in the suburbs of Melbourne who essentially rely on being open for maybe 70-80 hours per week to avoid being on welfare, and sometimes when you see their circumstances you wonder if it is worth it.

To get jobs it is getting more difficult – it has become so in the last, I would say 2-3 years. Most migrants, particularly in their first year or two, will take anything they can get. I know a 52 year old architecture professor who packs chicken legs in the western suburbs, other very well educated people in their home countries doing things like working in a sandwich shop for $12 per hour part time or at call, I know an IT guy who drives up past Ballarat on Monday morning, and comes back Friday night to be with his family. It may be easy for some, but I assure you it is quite difficult for many too.

From my experience it is in the first 2-3 years that people decide whether they can make moving to Australia work for them or not. After that they will wait until they get an Australian passport and go home, and we are seeing some signs of that increasing to countries where things are not bad economically at home, or they will simply persevere in the hope that things will get better here. The GFC was a big factor when there were many headlines overseas describing how Australia had a mining boom, and there were many migrants to Melbourne in particular from Greece and Turkey, Eastern Europe, but even from England and Ireland, although we don’t really see them too much. But I think there is more understanding now, because there are people going back, that things are not as easy here as they appeared maybe 3-4 years ago, and that migration here is for a certain type of individual or family but not all."
Edited by Barista, 3 Dec 2013, 03:45 PM.
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I don't think anyone really cares about Australia anymore. :bye:
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Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
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the people doing this will no longer have any motivation to do so when the AUD eventually craps out
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themoops
3 Dec 2013, 03:56 PM
I don't think anyone really cares about Australia anymore. :bye:
I'm sure sentiment will pick up when Wanky Frankie f*@ks off to Nam..

:D

Come to think of it - we will probably see a sudden influx of Vietnamese..
Human beings go mad in crowds.. and come to their senses slowly and individually..
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Subpryme
3 Dec 2013, 04:14 PM
I'm sure sentiment will pick up when Wanky Frankie f*@ks off to Nam..




Whos spank sock are you, moops or earthsta?
They are the only fucktards I know who refer to Vietnam as "nam"
or do we actually have a 3rd fucktard
And all bears

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Come to think of it - we will probably see a sudden influx of Vietnamese..

Cool, even more tenants putting extra pressure on the renter :tu:

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3 Dec 2013, 04:28 PM
Whos spank sock are you, moops or earthsta?
They are the only fucktards I know who refer to Vietnam as "nam"
or do we actually have a 3rd fucktard
And all bears
Nam is actually a very common hypocorism for Vietnam. Maybe you should get out more!!

Are you suprised that there are more than two people in the World who don't like you? :lol
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Hey Barista...


So where's the violin music? :o :o
When's your next flight due out?

Congrats for producing a shallow one sided acount of your "mates "perspective of how it's sooo Just tough in Oz.
That all migrants are greedy & don't give a shit about Oz...

Geez
This just aims to make people like Ben get madder thn ever....
Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
It's Absolutely Fabulous if it includes brilliant locations, & high calibre tenants..what more does one want? Understand the power of the two "P"" or be financially challenged
Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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Subpryme
3 Dec 2013, 04:43 PM
Nam is actually a very common hypocorism for Vietnam.

Very common?
Common if you're a yank who fought in the "American" War - did you?
Or maybe some sort of loser who thinks "Green Beret" is the best movie ever
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Maybe you should get out more!!

I get out plenty - and often in lands where American Vet's are and even then, I still dont hear them call it "Nam"
Yet here, on this tiny forum, there are apparently 3 of you.

Like I said, who's spank sock are you?
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Are you suprised that there are more than two people in the World who don't like you? :lol

I can guarantee you that there are more - and I couldn't care less
Glad to see I piss wankers like you off though, It would seem I have had a result.
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LOL no Frank I didn't fight in the "American" war. :lol

You remind me of a guy I used to work with.. always trying to get 1-up on everyone. It's an uncanny resemblance actually.

I'm just having a dig - there's no need to get worked up.

Perhaps we should give this thread back to the owner.
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Subpryme
3 Dec 2013, 06:09 PM
LOL no Frank I didn't fight in the "American" war. :lol

You remind me of a guy I used to work with.. always trying to get 1-up on everyone. It's an uncanny resemblance actually.
Nam is a 3rd world shithole, but since it was the first place frank visited outside of rocky he has "fallen in luv" with it. He is the A-typical tourist in that sense. I know a guy whose first OS trip was bali and now he goes surfing there twice a year. If you look deeper though it will also include bragging rights with the BBQ set.

They say shit like "We'll be back in-country on the 31st" to their friends, A lot of it is just a pose. What's the return fare to nam? The cost of staying there? That will tell you all you need about the place. That and the land mines they are still finding there :lol
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What else is he wrong about?
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