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Chris Becker says Macrobusiness has devolved into a pit of trolls and vested interests; Claims he lost $100,000 in time and money moderating their astrotufing on the Macrobusiness blog
Topic Started: 2 Dec 2013, 10:23 AM (10,570 Views)
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herbie
5 Dec 2013, 01:39 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if the MB boys are too busy tryin' ta grub up a buck ta have dug that deep Skamy.

Even as a bear it's been a potential criticism of mine of the Demographia stuff for quite a few years now.

But who ta trust? Who ta trust???
I trust meself that's it when it comes to property, and I am sure of property as a long term safe investment despite its high taxes etc.

There is a lot of money made in downturns and a site which spent years trying to create panic in the Australian housing market cannot be trusted IMHO. The only people to benefit from falling prices are cash rich folk. For instance, there has been a fundamental shift in property ownership in countries like the US from the middle income folk to the rich and to corporations during the downturn there. Now these rich folk just sit back and watch prices rise back to their pre-crash levels and beyond.

A crash would have been a disaster for middle Australia in every which way and IMHO it was completely unethical to promote such an outcome as socially desirable, not to mention completely irresponsible. 70% of Australian homes are owner occupier, who in their right minds would seek to cause worry and stress to these people just because some people thought it would be grand if they could get a bargain from their distress?

The worst thing they did IMO is to encourage folk to sell their property in the gamble that prices would fall and they could then make money on other folks bad circumstances. They played to people's greed to try to create a crash, and the poor folk who did this will regret it for a long time to come.

Demographia have a very clear big developer agenda and it is easy to find this information, yet they completely derailed naive young people seeking to improve housing affordability to promote their big business agenda.


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The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
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Perthite
4 Dec 2013, 11:28 PM
I don't remember any threads attacking them on Macrobusiness.
MB members are not even allowed to mention APF... they don't want their members to find out about this forum, which is why they never mention it... they're afraid more MB members might come over here and discover the truth. They do refer to APF as the 'troll nest', and they've threatened to sue Alex Barton in the past, so I guess you could call those 'attacks' on APF.


Olmule
5 Dec 2013, 01:41 AM
It seems far too personal to be simply part of an astroturfing campaign
Of course it's personal. MB banned us and called us trolls, and they threatened to sue Strindberg, just because we challenged too many of their lies. And they spam me with junk mail every week.

In any case, everything we have posted about MB has been true. If you would prefer such free speech to be censored then I suggest you move to MB where criticism is not allowed, and stop posting on a free and open forum like APF. If you don't like our threads here then you don't have to read them. Macrobusiness would suit someone like you much better than APF... you can wallow in unchallenged bear spruik all day and feel more confident that 'The Bubble' will soon burst allowing you to buy the cheap house you're surely entitled to. Heck, why not donate to them? They could certainly use your money to help pay off their own mortgages while constantly doomsaying about the imminent property crash.


Dr Kinetoscope
4 Dec 2013, 11:20 PM
You obviously have little conviction in your position and a lot of skeletons if you require anonymity.
So your real name is Dr Kinetoscope? Or are you just being a massive hypocrite as usual...
Edited by Shadow, 5 Dec 2013, 07:32 AM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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Shadow
5 Dec 2013, 07:08 AM
Of course it's personal. MB banned us and called us trolls, and they threatened to sue Strindberg, just because we challenged too many of their lies.

In any case, everything we have posted about MB has been true. If you would prefer such free speech to be censored then I suggest you move to MB where criticism is not allowed, and stop posting on a free and open forum like APF. If you don't like our threads here then you don't have to read them. Macrobusiness would suit someone like you much better than APF... you can wallow in unchallenged bear spruik all day and feel more confident that 'The Bubble' will soon burst allowing you to buy the cheap house you're surely entitled to. Heck, why not donate to them? They could certainly use your money to help pay off their own mortgages while constantly doomsaying about the imminent property crash.
umad shads?

who said anything about sensoring? You making shit up again?

as I said, it's usually a bit of a yawn but when compiled and discussed it is a bit amusing to assess how you lot like to go off on one.
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When you look at the anti-MB threads independently its a bit of a yawn, but when they are compiled (thanks to Dr K) it reveals a few things about these guys/girls...all of them are sad, sad tales - but amusing none the less

Keep it coming pally and I'll do the same when I can be bothered. If you don't like my right to express my amusement at your shenanigans and pedantry "then I suggest you move to MB where criticism is not allowed, and stop posting on a free and open forum like APF" :lol
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Olmule
5 Dec 2013, 07:40 AM
who said anything about sensoring?
Just the general tone of the bear comments in this thread... 'Waaah Shadow and Strindberg keep challenging Macrobusiness lies... waaaah make them stop... waaaah it must be personal'. I can understand the bears' love for Macrobusiness, since MB feed them false hope of a property crash. But I'm going to keep on challenging Macrobusiness lies and sneaky underhand money grabbing tactics regardless of how it might hurt the bears' feelings.
Edited by Shadow, 5 Dec 2013, 07:51 AM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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Shadow
5 Dec 2013, 07:08 AM
MB members are not even allowed to mention APF... they don't want their members to find out about this forum, which is why they never mention it... they're afraid more MB members might come over here and discover the truth. They do refer to APF as the 'troll nest', and they've threatened to sue Alex Barton in the past, so I guess you could call those 'attacks' on APF.



Of course it's personal. MB banned us and called us trolls, and they threatened to sue Strindberg, just because we challenged too many of their lies. And they spam me with junk mail every week.

In any case, everything we have posted about MB has been true. If you would prefer such free speech to be censored then I suggest you move to MB where criticism is not allowed, and stop posting on a free and open forum like APF. If you don't like our threads here then you don't have to read them. Macrobusiness would suit someone like you much better than APF... you can wallow in unchallenged bear spruik all day and feel more confident that 'The Bubble' will soon burst allowing you to buy the cheap house you're surely entitled to. Heck, why not donate to them? They could certainly use your money to help pay off their own mortgages while constantly doomsaying about the imminent property crash.



So your real name is Dr Kinetoscope? Or are you just being a massive hypocrite as usual...
Poor baby. They called you a troll and banned you from their website, so you throw your toys. :lol

I have little doubt that you spend every waking second on that website, 'snipering' any mistake that is made (amongst the wealth of factual information) and then promoting it on here.

No hypocrisy here, dont deflect. Aside from anonymous internet forum usernames on here, I have never attacked or defamed an individual on here by name - even whilst knowing exactly who they are.

I'm not the one using an alias to attack individuals and a business repeatedly by name. People's perception of you is that you are a coward, as you are using the privilge of anonymity. If you have any courage you would put your name to your campaign, end of story.
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Dr Kinetoscope
5 Dec 2013, 08:30 AM
If you have any courage you would put your name to your campaign, end of story.
Her name is Margaret, isn't it?
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Dr Kinetoscope
5 Dec 2013, 08:30 AM
Aside from anonymous internet forum usernames on here, I have never attacked or defamed an individual on here by name.
Only because you don't know most of our names. You've attacked Mike and Peter here by their own names.

You attacked Elizabeth Farrelly using her real name.

Like I said, you're a massive hypocrite, and this isn't the first time you've demonstrated it.

If you had any courage you would put your own name to your attacks against the bulls here, end of story.

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People's perception of you is that you are a coward, as you are using the privilge of anonymity. If you have any courage you would put your name to your campaign, end of story.
While admittedly the way I'm perceived by anonymous internet personas is very important to me, I think I'll live with the shame.
Edited by Shadow, 5 Dec 2013, 08:56 AM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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Posting anonymously gives people the licence to be the prick they always secretly wanted to be.
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Shadow
5 Dec 2013, 08:46 AM
Only because you don't know most of our names. You've attacked Mike and Peter here by their own names.

Like I said, you're a massive hypocrite, and this isn't the first time you've demonstrated it.

If you had any courage you would put your own name to your attacks against the bulls here, end of story

While admittedly the way I'm perceived by anonymous internet personas is very important to me, I think I'll live with the shame.
Evidence please? Where have I defamed, discredited or otherwise using Mike or Peter's full name? You arent lying again are you?

Like I said, no hypocrisy here. I don't use 'Dr Kinetoscope' to defame or discredit which will be proven when you cant find any examples of such.

If you had any courage you put you name against the persona you use to attack others by their full name and business name. The way you are percieved has a direct effect on your ability to sell the housing dream on places such as forum, Somersoft and Whirlpool.

I agree with you Peter Fraser. Perhaps we should arrange an APF drinks night so we can see who has the courage to show up. I would love to see what Moops looks like and behaves like in the flesh!
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Dr Kinetoscope
5 Dec 2013, 09:00 AM
full name?
Oh right, so your argument is that if you don't specifically include their surname, then you're not attacking them using their 'full' name, so it's OK?

How about your attack on Elizabeth Farrelly using her FULL name then?

http://australianpropertyforum.com/single/?p=8407443&t=9906018

'Elizabeth Farrelly makes my blood boil, despite her appreciation for good architecture. She is the epitome of a smug, chardonnay socialist'

You are a massive hypocrite...
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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