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Australia's inefficient use of space; I wish we could build like this here
Topic Started: 14 Oct 2013, 01:30 PM (4,978 Views)
Kulganis
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For one, Las Vegas was built around natural wells in the Nevada desert, it was a sort of 'water stop' between Los Angeles and New Mexico.
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skamy
15 Oct 2013, 10:06 AM
That true Kulganis. People choose to compete and push up prices in the big smoke.
In this Small World in Which We Live, only Aspie Cholos think that Brisbane, Sydney or Melbourne are the Big Smoke. I'm doing my PhD videos on this very topic friends. I have already spoken about it on my site, around 20 videos about this phenomenon so far.

This theory of inefficient use of space is old news friend. This thread explains it best. Why? Well, the whole debate about living near the city or not or having a big ass home or a small one is a false choice but one that Aspie Cholos and people with IQs lower than 100 seem to like: The Classic False Choice is Should I Buy here or Buy there?

The reality is that these young folks should buy nowhere because no property is worth what they already possess. Their greatest assets are a passport and a brain and an education in an English speaking country and the fact they aint brainwashed like us old folks were back in the day to buy property to somehow be normal.

These young folks could have far better lives living elsewhere and then if they choose to return one day they could just live in a tent, motorhome or on the beach, and actually live life surfing, catching fish and doing their work remotely, instead of living at a desk for 50 years to pay off a mortgage that size.

But there are a whole lot of Poor Folks and Low IQ Folks who do believe that living near the city makes them better, so there is a pressure on prices friends. The smart folks just decide that there are better places with better Veblen Goods where you can actually get real services and infrastructure and they rent there.
Kulganis
15 Oct 2013, 10:19 AM
For one, Las Vegas was built around natural wells in the Nevada desert, it was a sort of 'water stop' between Los Angeles and New Mexico.
I agree with you friend.

I don't understand why people like King of the Aspie Cholos here don't like to admit that we can live anywhere. Yes, Alice Springs and Darwin are good examples. Phoenix too. They were developed out of nothing. Actually, all of them cities in the US are in harsh places. All them cities in Alaska are no less harsh than desert cities with today's water technologies.

But I think it's all a nonsense debate anyway. Buy here or Buy there - it dont matter. Buying is for Aspie Cholos. Most folks with a brain on their heads will just make money with their intelligence and their job and a good structure in a good jurisdiction. But that's a lot for an Aspie Cholo to understand. Buying a house in them Ghetto Suburbs is a lot easier to understand. So thats where the Bogan and Aspie money goes.

And that makes Billy Jack sad friends.
Edited by Billy Jack, 15 Oct 2013, 10:34 AM.
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15 Oct 2013, 10:27 AM
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Ooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh

Pleeeese

Go live in those shitty shoe boxes.
I like space, because I can friggin afford it.

Keep paying rent one of you inconsequential inner city cockroaches where you can hear someone using the toilet, or neighbors turning the music on @ whatever time, noise of others , negative social issues.

Yeah fantastic....
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Frank Castle
15 Oct 2013, 09:07 AM
80% of it pretty much uninhabitable and 98% of it pretty much where the majority DON'T want to live (at a guess)
There is plenty of space in the capitals within a 5klm radius where most people do want to live, but as I have pointed out it is poorly managed and underutilised.



A local can buy what we would class a "house" from around $60k (thats about the cheapest I have seen), maybe less but thats a pretty ordinary place by our standards and not exactly close in.
Thats about 30 wage years for the average Viet

Something like this is $200,000
or 86 wage years for the average Viet
http://thanhphohochiminhcity.jaovat.com/can-ban-nha-dep-nha-pho-san-vuon-duong-so-45-phuong-tan-quy-quan-7-iid-544115569

Something more in line with what we'd have as an average home size here is $537,000
Thats 233 wage years for the average Viet
http://thanhphohochiminhcity.jaovat.com/ban-can-biet-thu-thao-dien-quan-2-iid-545542544

But my understanding is that Foreigners cant buy landed property unless they marry in.
But we can buy apartments.

At the end of the day you would have to be crazy to buy though as renting a good apartment can be pretty bloody cheap.
thanks Frank, i suspected the local price to income ratios to be high but that's a real eye opener
Blondie girl
15 Oct 2013, 03:27 PM
Ooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh

Pleeeese

Go live in those shitty shoe boxes.
I like space, because I can friggin afford it.

Keep paying rent one of you inconsequential inner city cockroaches where you can hear someone using the toilet, or neighbors turning the music on @ whatever time, noise of others , negative social issues.

Yeah fantastic....
imho seeing how others live can be fascinating and thought provoking, but having said that, I think the planners of the 1960's 'Australian dream' nailed it.

a nice home on an 800sqm block with private space sounds pretty good to me. In the 60's and 70's it sounded pretty good to a ton of europeans and asians as well :)
Edited by mel, 15 Oct 2013, 03:49 PM.
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Frank Castle
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Blondie girl
15 Oct 2013, 03:27 PM
Ooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh

Pleeeese

Go live in those shitty shoe boxes.
I like space, because I can friggin afford it.
Shitty shoeboxes that can have have the same or similar m2 as an Australian property
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Keep paying rent one of you inconsequential inner city cockroaches where you can hear someone using the toilet, or neighbors turning the music on @ whatever time, noise of others

But this is the thing BG, I get more noise from my neighbours and traffic in a quiet street here in Australia than I did when I was renting an apartment in Vietnam.
My wife who is a light sleeper loved it.

Look at the pics I posted earlier, walls are made of concrete and brick, not air and gyprock - windows are double glazed
The place we rented actually had major construction going on next door sharing the same wall and we only noticed it when they were using a hammer drill/jackhammer but a quick word with management had them using it in times when we were out plus viets mostly shut down for a couple of hours mid day for a lunch break and afternoon nap which is handy.

Try getting that to happen here

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negative social issues.

Quite the opposite I would say

Have you been there and seen for yourself to be able to comment with such conviction?


mel
15 Oct 2013, 03:44 PM
thanks Frank, i suspected the local price to income ratios to be high but that's a real eye opener
That was based on these figures
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Vietnam average monthly wage rises to $185
Last updated: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 16:00
The average monthly wage in Vietnam increased 19.6 percent to VND3.84 million (US$185) last year, according to the labor ministry.
http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages/20120125-salaries-rise-in-vietnam-income-gap-still-wide.aspx


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a nice home on an 800sqm block with private space sounds pretty good to me. In the 60's and 70's it sounded pretty good to a ton of europeans and asians as well

I totally agree
I just think its unrealistic to expect this within 5klm of the cbd forcing others to live further out to get it.
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Frank Castle
14 Oct 2013, 07:10 PM
Astro turf eh?
With weeds and sprinkler system?

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