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Australia's inefficient use of space; I wish we could build like this here
Topic Started: 14 Oct 2013, 01:30 PM (4,980 Views)
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Billy Jack
14 Oct 2013, 11:34 PM
By the way friend, Brisbane CBD is surrounded on three sides by a Big Ass river - The North Reach, The South Reach - It's like a big ass triangle friend.
Oh now I get it.

1 river + on 2 sides === 3 rivers.
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Friend it's one river, I aint typing too good. The CBD is surrounded on three sides though.

But I'll say one thing: It might as well be three rivers the way we use it here. There could be ten times the traffic there is from all the way out near Ipswich, Moggil, Jindalee, Fig Tree Pocket to the CBD. Them folks could be taking high speed ferries all the way in.

But getting back to the topic. The reality is that it don't matter if its one of them houses with a small frontage or not. It's a false choice friend. Spending a shiny dollar on land anywhere in Australia is like selling ice to Eskimoes.

And that makes Billy Jack sad friend.
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Frank Castle
14 Oct 2013, 01:44 PM
Unfortunately for Australians, most could never afford to build like this even if planning allowed.

In Vietnam of course, things are a bit different as most buildings - even ones several stories high are concrete frame and brick infill which is a cheap and easy method when labour is so cheap, is often done by family and building and material transport is done like this.
I took these pictures when last there

Laying bricks and rendering - note the concrete and steel frame.
and yes, they are just timber posts punched through the wall with some timber planks of sorts to work on.
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and getting steel delivered is as simple as loading up a cyclo and getting a friend with a scooter to push

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We used to have a certain freedom to get things done, even in the 80's when I started work but now, wankers in offices make far to many rules and regulation for every step and all that costs $$$.


Yes but if instead of knocking down some shitbox house and replacing with more of the same, if we were allowed to build like this - we could all live a short scooter ride* away from the CBD if we wanted to.

* Ban non essential cars and trucks from a 5klm radius of the cbd making it easier for scooters
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No such thing as Occ Health & Safety...anything goes. ...Worksafe does post mortems of incidents to prosecute.

Really scary the level of building standards in these Asian countries.

Yeah it's certainly something different for utilizing space but it's just not aesthetically pleasing.

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15 Oct 2013, 12:58 AM
but it's just not aesthetically pleasing.
See Frank, 'just not aesthetically pleasing', not gonna fly, I however, love them and we should see more of them.
People have become used to the style of housing in Australia and houses have become a prestige item, something to look at rather than something to live in.

Watching some video's, I found this company, with some amazing furniture coming out of europe.



One of the best things I can see coming out of our push for asian immigration is the increase of these space optimising ideas.
Like this wonderful little 32m2 apartment in Hong Kong:



I could easily see a 64m2 space for 3 or 4 people.
The City of Melbourne planning board has recently been discussing a minimum 50m2 apartment requirement
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There's a thread on this topic already "Selling Ice to Eskimoes".

There's plenty of space in Australia.

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Funnily enough, there's plenty of space in Hong Kong too, but humans have this insatiable need to want to live close together, work close to where they live and live as near as possible to fresh water and/or trade routes. This limits the possible expansion areas.

Hong Kong doesn't even make it into Forbes's top 20 densest cities in the world list:

http://www.forbes.com/2007/12/14/cities-pollution-asia-biz-logistics-cx_tvr_1214densecities_slide.html
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15 Oct 2013, 07:20 AM
There's plenty of space in Australia.

80% of it pretty much uninhabitable and 98% of it pretty much where the majority DON'T want to live (at a guess)
There is plenty of space in the capitals within a 5klm radius where most people do want to live, but as I have pointed out it is poorly managed and underutilised.


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14 Oct 2013, 05:02 PM
Frank how much might a 10sq home set us back over there?

I know the question is similar to 'how long is a piece of string', but how cheap do you reckon you could get something like that within 20km from the CBD?

thanks
A local can buy what we would class a "house" from around $60k (thats about the cheapest I have seen), maybe less but thats a pretty ordinary place by our standards and not exactly close in.
Thats about 30 wage years for the average Viet

Something like this is $200,000
or 86 wage years for the average Viet
http://thanhphohochiminhcity.jaovat.com/can-ban-nha-dep-nha-pho-san-vuon-duong-so-45-phuong-tan-quy-quan-7-iid-544115569

Something more in line with what we'd have as an average home size here is $537,000
Thats 233 wage years for the average Viet
http://thanhphohochiminhcity.jaovat.com/ban-can-biet-thu-thao-dien-quan-2-iid-545542544

But my understanding is that Foreigners cant buy landed property unless they marry in.
But we can buy apartments.

At the end of the day you would have to be crazy to buy though as renting a good apartment can be pretty bloody cheap.
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15 Oct 2013, 09:07 AM
80% of it pretty much uninhabitable and 98% of it pretty much where the majority DON'T want to live (at a guess)
There is plenty of space in the capitals within a 5klm radius where most people do want to live, but as I have pointed out it is poorly managed and underutilised.
Actually that's not true at all. People live in Dubai, Phoenix, Las Vegas and other cities without a problem. Alice Springs, Cairns, Brisbane, Perth and Darwin were all considered harsh by many people. Technology today makes them liveable. Even Tokyo is hotter than some of these places.
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15 Oct 2013, 08:56 AM
Funnily enough, there's plenty of space in Hong Kong too, but humans have this insatiable need to want to live close together, work close to where they live and live as near as possible to fresh water and/or trade routes. This limits the possible expansion areas.

Hong Kong doesn't even make it into Forbes's top 20 densest cities in the world list:

http://www.forbes.com/2007/12/14/cities-pollution-asia-biz-logistics-cx_tvr_1214densecities_slide.html
That true Kulganis. People choose to compete and push up prices in the big smoke.
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15 Oct 2013, 09:11 AM
Actually that's not true at all.
Actually, it is totally true.
For proof of this go out in the middle of the desert as it is now and try and live for 6 mths.
Report back if you are still alive.

You may have to use smoke signals as you wont have any phone services, airport or roads to get out on.

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