You be "biologically polygamous" if you want Kulganis - But I know what's jolly good for me!
Oh believe me, I am.
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry
"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
Nope, no hippy communes, free love is optional, most of my partners are polyamorous as well, some of us are even friends outside of the bedroom.
Never going to get married, I don't like being tied down, though I am very vocal when it comes to equality, anyone who freely chooses to marry should be allowed to regardless of the religious belief of some.
Many of us are fundamentally different from your lot and I hate to say it, but your inability to see it is your problem, not theirs.
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry
"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
Compare rates of social mobility in say Sweden against the US.
Then see if there is any major difference in the rate of one income households/ lone parents etc.
My guess would be that its negligible.
Social mobility and inequality in the US has very little to do with "the collapse in traditional values" and everything to do with the fact that labour, for about three decades now, has been getting a diminished share the national income vis-à-vis Capital.
Property acquisition as a topic was almost a national obsession. You couldn't even call it speculation as the buyers all presumed the price of property could only go up. That’s why we use the word obsession. Ordinary people were buying properties for their young children who had not even left school assuming they would not be able to afford property of their own when they left college- Klaus Regling on Ireland. Sound familiar?
The evidence of nearly 40 cycles in house prices for 17 OECD economies since 1970 shows that real house prices typically give up about 70 per cent of their rise in the subsequent fall, and that these falls occur slowly. Morgan Kelly:On the Likely Extent of Falls in Irish House Prices, 2007
Nope, no hippy communes, free love is optional, most of my partners are polyamorous as well, some of us are even friends outside of the bedroom.
Never going to get married, I don't like being tied down, though I am very vocal when it comes to equality, anyone who freely chooses to marry should be allowed to regardless of the religious belief of some.
Many of us are fundamentally different from your lot and I hate to say it, but your inability to see it is your problem, not theirs.
It wouldn't have been 'free' if it wasn't optional. Yep, the hippy commune was strictly optional too - I can only assume you have some sort of roughly equivalent alternative in mind though? (Don't actually personally know any of my lot who went into one?) Not much point getting married if ya reckon it's only good for 4 years I imagine? Many of my lot are fundamentally different to my lot. As will many of your lot be to both your lot 'n my lot. But none of that means your lot is fundamentally different ta my lot ... Indeed, everything ya telling me highlights the similarities WAY more so than any real differences.
No equivalent to communes in my mind, we all live in Melbourne, in separate homes (some of us anyway) and for me at least, marriage is useless, no children will ever come of my relationships, not even by accident. Marriage would only be a way to spread some tax around.
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry
"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
Quite clearly humans are not polygamous - the majority of people in the world mate for life as do many other species (Dugongs, eagles). Our Australian aboriginal people use eagles as a sign of "lasting spousal dedication" they are clearly monogamous and there is evidence of this as a longstanding behaviour. People who have difficulty maintaining that one on one partnership have very poor mental heath and general health outcomes and reduced lifespans.
Women survive better but men have very clear reduced outcomes.
The biology of a man is geared towards knowing his children are his and thus faithfulness etc in a relationship is, in reality, actually much more important to males. Most males and females just won't mate with promiscuous partners and human societies throughout the world disrespect such behaviour.
Monogomous marriage is very good for males on loads of health and prosperity measures. Including the one described above. So much of our behaviour is unconsciously survival related IMHO and the family unit is a the strongest survival mechanism we have. Flitting around partners who will be either similarly minded polygamous people or weak people not able to choose or maintain a constant family unit for themselves, is not really a good method of ensuring your own survival nor the survival of your genes. That is why most people don't do it.
Like Herbie I know which side my bread is buttered on and I have seen the pain marriage failure. Sometimes it is unavoidable (eg promiscuity in a partner) but it is never ever without pain.
Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993 The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
Think I'll leave ya to it Kulganis - Part of being young is wanting to believe ya have a new 'n different perspective 'n lots of solutions maybe? Lots of my lot did when we were young I reckon anyway? 'N if your lot do, then yep, they're the same in that too. Though if your lot don't, I'd just maybe concede they could be somewhat significantly different?
Your experience is natural 'n normal dude. 'N both a good 'n VERY necessary thing I reckon!
I'm sorry Skamy, but Anthropologists disagree with you...
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Overall, of the 1,231 cultures in the Ethnographic Atlas Codebook, 84.6 percent are classified as polygynous, 15.1 percent as monogamous, and 0.3 percent as polyandrous.
Want to live a little longer? Get a second wife. New research suggests that men from polygamous cultures outlive those from monogamous ones.
After accounting for socioeconomic differences, men aged over 60 from 140 countries that practice polygamy to varying degrees lived on average 12% longer than men from 49 mostly monogamous nations, says Virpi Lummaa, an ecologist at the University of Sheffield, UK.
Men and women differed in their participation in reproduction, the researchers report. More men than women get squeezed out of the mating game. As a result, twice as many women as men passed their genes to the next generation.
"It is a pattern that's built up over time. The norm through human evolution is for more women to have children than men," said Jason Wilder, a postdoctoral fellow in UA's Arizona Research Laboratories and lead author on the research articles. "There are men around who aren't able to have children, because they are being outcompeted by more successful males."
Co-author Michael Hammer, a research scientist in UA's Arizona Research Laboratories, said, "We may think of ourselves as a monogamous species, but we're coming from an evolutionary history that's probably slightly polygamous. If we're shifting toward monogamy, it's so recent it hasn't left an imprint on our genome."
Or the same reproductive behavior is continuing, but in a culturally accepted fashion, Wilder said. "The modern version that we generally don't find offensive is that men tend to remarry and have more children much more often than women do."
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry
"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
Think I'll leave ya to it Kulganis - Part of being young is wanting to believe ya have a new 'n different perspective 'n lots of solutions maybe? Lots of my lot did when we were young I reckon anyway? 'N if your lot do, then yep, their the same in that too. Though if your lot don't, I'd just maybe concede they could be somewhat significantly different?
Property acquisition as a topic was almost a national obsession. You couldn't even call it speculation as the buyers all presumed the price of property could only go up. That’s why we use the word obsession. Ordinary people were buying properties for their young children who had not even left school assuming they would not be able to afford property of their own when they left college- Klaus Regling on Ireland. Sound familiar?
The evidence of nearly 40 cycles in house prices for 17 OECD economies since 1970 shows that real house prices typically give up about 70 per cent of their rise in the subsequent fall, and that these falls occur slowly. Morgan Kelly:On the Likely Extent of Falls in Irish House Prices, 2007
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