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Bill Shorten calls for higher immigration - Labor party should be pro-immigration; Australia should increase its immigration levels, Labor leadership hopeful Bill Shorten has declared
Topic Started: 1 Oct 2013, 01:26 PM (4,924 Views)
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herbie
3 Oct 2013, 11:12 PM
White 'genocide' STARTED in the early 70s with Whitlam's single mum stuff. 'N liberated divorce laws. It's four decades too late ta cry about it now - IMO? Though you could maybe chat ta ya grandma and/or ya mum about it if ya reckon she/they done ya wrong through either or both of those mechanisms maybe? (Good luck! :re: ) 'N yep, ya got it right re Oz culcha - It's LONG gone!
Good o!! Just thought I would slip my 2 bobs worth in while racism was discussed
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In the lead up to the last election, Tony Abbott said that Australia should be home to as many people as possible. Julia Gillard just prior being exchanged with Rudd said we should continue to run our record levels of immigration and of course Rudd is a Big Australia man. Even the population-timid Greens acknowledge we can’t sustain even the more modest 35 million – we’re not remotely living sustainably now and on a crash course with ecological limitations that are the inevitable outcome of an obsession with population growth and/or the lack of desire to have a mature debate about it. Still, economies are failing all over the world, and the strategies amount to shuffling deck chairs rather than recognising that stable populations are the only rational and actually most desirable progression.

The election results were interesting with over 4 million voting informally, and the overwhelming majority voting Liberal or Labor as their first preference.

So, one can only assume that people are voting for their misery to continue while lamenting their loss of quality of life, the lack of economic resilience and ultimately the loss of their freedoms just to have that little more comfort that their property prices are going up – but what does that actually mean? It costs you more to live, it costs you more to move, it costs you more to maintain these properties, it strangles the economy by encouraging non-productive investment.

We clearly need more adults in political circles that “get” that an economy based on perpetual population growth to fuel an unsustainable housing industry and selling off our finite resources to pay for it is obviously going to fail. And failing it is.

One of the few notable voices in Australian politics is Kelvin Thomson (Labor member for Wills) in his speech to to the Association of Independent Retirees.

“More than half the milk produced in Australia is now processed by foreign-owned firms. Half the wheat export industry is controlled by foreign companies, which own 12 of the nation’s 23 licensed wheat exporters. Three foreign milling groups account for nearly 60% of Australia’s raw sugar production – including a subsidiary of the Chinese state-owned COFCO Corporation, which took over Tully Sugar last year. And 40% of Australia’s beef and lamb is processed by foreign firms. 9% of irrigation water licenses are owned by foreigners.

In Queensland foreign land ownership has quadrupled in the past five years to 4.4 million hectares. Mining companies accounted for 60% of all foreign investment in Queensland farmland during 2010. In the Northern Territory, over 14 million hectares, an area larger than the State of Victoria, is overseas owned. Over 30% of Western Australia’s water entitlements for agriculture are overseas owned. On December 30, last year Wesfarmers sold its Premier Coal business to a Chinese company, leaving all coal mines supplying the WA electricity grid in foreign hands”

But when it comes to voting, the choice should really be clear – unfortunately, it’s very hard to help promote understanding. If people want things to improve, then it can only happen from one of two ways, a) we continue as we are and let the laws of thermodynamics and mother nature sort it out or b) the more moderate/gentler path through parties like the Stable Population Party.
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I don't mind how many people come in or don't come in. I think that the impact of how many people are coming in, not coming in, or putatively coming in (through buying RE either without appropriate visa, or buying RE just to get a visa) should be both monitored, reported publicly and managed. I think that infrastructure and housing for however many people are coming in should be a clear responsibility of government. I think that not planning and ensuring that such infrastructure and housing is in place is irresponsible. I think that running immigration at high levels without openly addressing the impact of that is irresponsible. I tend to the view (without being particularly dogmatic about it, and accepting that there will be a range of views) that migration should probably be reduced from its current levels until such point as those in power be prepared to level with those in the country already on the impact of continued high levels of migration.

I would further add that running high levels of migration simply to build up the population size makes no sense whatsoever.

I also think that bringing more people into this country without being able to clearly articulate a viable and meaningful medium and long term economic future, and articulate a high immigration desirability against that narrative, is utterly spurious.
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The UK Labour Party under Blair adopted a similar approach to immigration as Shorten. Surrepticiously, under the cover of Shortens arguments above, UK Labour endeavoured to alter the voting demographic by allowing unfettered immigration – the object being to increase the Left vote. This was projected to occur due, among other things, to the generous welfare enticements afforded immigrants. The public only became aware of this after Blair left office and Govt documents were scrutinised and the the concealed plans were discovered. Too late , the damage already done.

Large parts of the UK are now a multicultural nightmare. The rapid immigrant intake brought with it all manner of cultural and security related serious problems. Not to mention chronic overcrowding in certain areas.

A vote for Shorten’s Labor will be a vote for something like the UK’s Midlands. Better give that some thought I would say.
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+1 to the last 3 comments. Some common sense needs to be applied to the immigration program. With hardly anyone in Canberra not pro high immigration I despair that it ever will be. Getting to say "I told you so" after the nation has been FUBARred will be a very pyrrhic victory.
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Most people are retards who don't do real work or are overpaid in some area and need mass immigration in order to keep themselves in the $$$. Or at least that's what they've been brainwashed into thinking if that may not be the case. The people have spoken. Life will simply continue to get worse on that account and we will become more and more like the UK.

The only hope for Australia on the immigration front and for house prices is for a global economic crash, or maybe Australia's property will crash under it's own weight.

I mean look at all these bears who think the government is going to just open up the land and build like hell. What the fuck is wrong with you? Melbourne has just taken measures to tighten their supply up.

Morons.
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Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
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Property will be 50-70% off by 2016.
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+1 to the last 3 comments


Second that,

With todays social media such as Facebook and twitter able to bypass the mainstream media, you would think people might shift their votes to a minor party or an alternative viewpoint. Doesn't seem to be happening that way though.
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