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Every coin has two sides: Can we create a better housing solution?
Topic Started: 28 Sep 2013, 10:35 AM (2,515 Views)
stinkbug
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genX
29 Sep 2013, 03:04 PM
Tiles are cheaper, cabinets are cheaper, taps and fittings are cheaper.
What about the labour to put the house together, has that gotten cheaper?

What about the taxes on the land, the material, the labour and everything else? Have they gotten cheaper?

What about the size of modern homes and the features they contain compared with times past? Has that made housing cheaper?

Rather than get into a childish argument, I think it would be fair to say that many properties have two components to their price - base supply cost and 'location/desirability premium'. The question is, how to we fix the second of these?
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Pig Iron
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herbie
29 Sep 2013, 09:12 PM
I've made the same point meself before Piggie - For fuck sake DON'T ask arsehole pollies ta fix things!

Governments FUCK things - They don't fix them.
they certainly do.

you don't need to invite a bunch of arseholes like that to "fix" anything, we have enough trouble keeping them out of shit as it is.
I am the love child of Tony Abbott and Pauline Hanson
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Foxy
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Zero is coming...

peter fraser
28 Sep 2013, 11:12 PM
We can't effect anything.
you can you know.
Socrates did.
They sentenced him to death but his ideas will last forever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
Matin Luther did.
I think we can.
Housing has been hijacked by the banks and others.
1) I would start with the idea of only being able to own 1 house per Australian and 1 holiday home.
2) Any more than that would no tax benefits for the owner, no negative gearing at all.
3) FHB grants only for new builds. (increase supply)
4) Financial education for people.
Now i know there will be a number of people that fall through the cracks.
Education is the key.
And identifying the people and organisations that are milking a basic necessity of the people and reducing that impact would potentially help.
One key point to note is that no one in their right mind would commit their money to house someone else.
Peter from Perth
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stinkbug
29 Sep 2013, 09:54 PM
What about the labour to put the house together, has that gotten cheaper?

What about the taxes on the land, the material, the labour and everything else? Have they gotten cheaper?

What about the size of modern homes and the features they contain compared with times past? Has that made housing cheaper?

Rather than get into a childish argument, I think it would be fair to say that many properties have two components to their price - base supply cost and 'location/desirability premium'. The question is, how to we fix the second of these?
That is not so hard,
Toronto is a city of suburbs.
That is what we need here.
Stop the CBD idea where all the chimpanzees have to go to the tall tree in the middle of the primate enclosure.
Spread the cities out.
Get the desirable areas out to the suburbs.
Why are government offices in the middle of our cities?????
No government workers live there.
Then have to build expensive train and bus systems to shift chimps in to the centre then after work chimps have to squeeze onto trains and busses to get home.
This shit has to stop.
Peter from
Perth
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Would we agree that cars are better and cheaper?
Are power tools better and cheaper?
Is food cheaper, i did not say better.
are not most things the people use cheaper and more plentiful??
Then why are houses unattainable for parts of our community??

Education???
Mental health issues??
I would say that the issue stems from a combination of mental retardation and lack of education.
Then the predatoriial behaviour of investors and market participance in the housing market.
Would anyone care to comment on this.

So a mentally deficient uneducated person who drinks Alcohol, smokes a packet of cigarette a day goes and gets a hamburger for a meal and watches footie, needs somewhere to live.
As soon as they get some money they spend it on all that shit.
They never save anything.
If you gave them cheaper housing they would just smoke and drink more and super size the burger.
Then place a burden on the health care system.
The government does not want to house them as it is a nightmare for them to handle.
In steps the greedy landlord.


A Gulag in Siberia maybe???

Peter from
Perth
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