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We got climate change wrong says IPCC - global warming estimates revised down; Global temperatures less sensitive to atmospheric carbon dioxide than previously thought
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Kulganis
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I agree with that, but if we don't attempt to mitigate the effects and temperatures rise to the point that most of the cities of the world are under water, our future generations will be locked out of the wonders that we currently enjoy. It's about finding a balance that we can all live with. It's too late to spend the resources and money when penrith has a beach.
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Kulganis
6 Nov 2013, 07:39 PM
I agree with that, but if we don't attempt to mitigate the effects and temperatures rise to the point that most of the cities of the world are under water,
Most of the cities of the world are under water?

So in reality you have no idea what you are talking about? Or are you just prone to exaggerate just a tiny wheeny little bit to cause alarm amongst people who know better?

So what are you? Gullible? foolish? political?

All of the above? Some of the above?



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Yeah, I admit to a bit of exaggeration, If the top panel on the subject can't predict how events might turn out, how can you expect me to?

Shadow used a minimal event, I used a maximum event.

And, none of the above, just like most of the posters here, I'm just a concerned citizen.
Edited by Kulganis, 6 Nov 2013, 08:00 PM.
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry

"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
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Kulganis
6 Nov 2013, 07:59 PM
Yeah, I admit to a bit of exaggeration, If the top panel on the subject can't predict how events might turn out, how can you expect me to?

Shadow used a minimal event, I used a maximum event.

And, none of the above, just like most of the posters here, I'm just a concerned citizen.
Already in parts of Southern Greenland there is 400inches of snow per year. ww2 planes buried there are now under 180feet of solid ice.

If the world warms a few degrees these **very** cold and often very dry places are going to receive unbelievably huge amounts of snow. Whereas parts of Northern Canada Greenland and Antarctica currently receive relatively very little snow per year.
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6 Nov 2013, 07:27 PM
Nobody argues that the climate doesn't change. The only argument is about the degree to which humans influence that change. My concern is that we could end up spending vast sums of money and resources trying to fix a problem that may not exist, or that even if it does exist, one that we may not be able to influence. We can't prevent the climate from changing and we don't know how much impact we are having on climate change. Regardless of how much money we spend on it, we will never know whether any of that money had any impact whatsoever.

Say in 100 years time we've spent trillions of dollars and the global temperature has risen by 1 degree. How much would it have risen by if we had spent zero dollars? 1.01 degrees? There's no way of knowing. There are more important things to spend money and resources on. Climate change is inevitable. If money must be spent then it should be spent on ways to adapt to the inevitable climate change, not on a futile attempt to prevent it from happening.
That's the mentality you attempt to sell everyone on everything.
Climate change is not caused by humans and is inevitable, so best adapt to it, what else can you do?
Property prices are not the result of a bubble and prices only ever go up, so best focus on figuring out how to pay current prices, what else can you do?

Margaret, you're ultimately hurting your own children.
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Shadow
6 Nov 2013, 07:27 PM
Nobody argues that the climate doesn't change. The only argument is about the degree to which humans influence that change. My concern is that we could end up spending vast sums of money and resources trying to fix a problem that may not exist, or that even if it does exist, one that we may not be able to influence. We can't prevent the climate from changing and we don't know how much impact we are having on climate change. Regardless of how much money we spend on it, we will never know whether any of that money had any impact whatsoever.

Say in 100 years time we've spent trillions of dollars and the global temperature has risen by 1 degree. How much would it have risen by if we had spent zero dollars? 1.01 degrees? There's no way of knowing. There are more important things to spend money and resources on. Climate change is inevitable. If money must be spent then it should be spent on ways to adapt to the inevitable climate change, not on a futile attempt to prevent it from happening.
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I didn't realise you're an expert on climate change, do you also get paid for discussing this?
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I don't disagree, but...

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Records and research show that sea level has been steadily rising at a rate of 1 to 2.5 millimeters (0.04 to 0.1 inches) per year since 1900.

This rate may be increasing. Since 1992, new methods of satellite altimetry (the measurement of elevation or altitude) indicate a rate of rise of 3 millimeters (0.12 inches) per year.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

All we're arguing about is degree. The IPCC reports...
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For high emissions IPCC now predicts a global rise by 52-98 cm by the year 2100, which would threaten the survival of coastal cities and entire island nations. But even with aggressive emissions reductions, a rise by 28-61 cm is predicted. Even under this highly optimistic scenario we might see over half a meter of sea-level rise, with serious impacts on many coastal areas, including coastal erosion and a greatly increased risk of flooding.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/10/sea-level-in-the-5th-ipcc-report/
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We love the coast. Coastal regions, particularly some low-lying river deltas, have very high population densities. In excess of 150 million people live within 1 metre of high tide level, and 250 million within 5 metres of high tide. There are billions of dollars invested in coastal infrastructure immediately adjacent to the coast. Many of the world's mega cities (populations of many millions) are on the coast.
http://www.cmar.csiro.au/sealevel/
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry

"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
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Kulganis
6 Nov 2013, 07:59 PM
Yeah, I admit to a bit of exaggeration, If the top panel on the subject can't predict how events might turn out, how can you expect me to?

Shadow used a minimal event, I used a maximum event.

And, none of the above, just like most of the posters here, I'm just a concerned citizen.
I'm reading ...

All it confirms is you are a nut job.
Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
It's Absolutely Fabulous if it includes brilliant locations, & high calibre tenants..what more does one want? Understand the power of the two "P"" or be financially challenged
Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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Blondie girl
6 Nov 2013, 08:23 PM
I'm reading ...

All it confirms is you are a nut job.
Says the pot to the kettle...
Edited by Kulganis, 6 Nov 2013, 08:25 PM.
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry

"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
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Kulganis
6 Nov 2013, 08:25 PM
Says the pot to the kettle...
Says the witch that lives on the Internet, & aspires to rent in a cupboard.

:o

Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
It's Absolutely Fabulous if it includes brilliant locations, & high calibre tenants..what more does one want? Understand the power of the two "P"" or be financially challenged
Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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