We got climate change wrong says IPCC - global warming estimates revised down; Global temperatures less sensitive to atmospheric carbon dioxide than previously thought
We had a government that believed in the sciences. We voted them out to get a group of religious nut jobs.
We used to be a leader in science and technology, we used to have a drive, a vision.
A lot history's great scientists were religious, but not nut jobs.
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It was an Australian who created the first refrigerator, the first electric drill, the feature film, the military tank, the pacemaker, the clapperboard, zinc cream, solar hot water, plastic spectacle lenses, black box flight recorder, ultrasound, the power board, bionic ear, dual flush loo, freezing embryos, multi-focal contact lenses, spray on skin, Wi-Fi, Scramjet, Blast Glass, the Quantum Bit.
These are just a few, I'm sure you can find more.
These are technology, not science. If you can't tell the difference then you're already dumbed down!
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There is now, after 82 years, no science minister. We've cut funding for a large portion of research.
Our culture has succumbed to the materialism of Thatcher.
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I am sometimes truly embarrassed to call myself Australian and that makes me angry.
You want to be an American?
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Why is it so hard for a person to believe a group of people, when they clearly already believe in invisible sky friends and talking snakes?
Vot! After 10 seasons you don't believe in Stargate?
A lot history's great scientists were religious, but not nut jobs.
These are technology, not science. If you can't tell the difference then you're already dumbed down!
You want to be an American?
Vot! After 10 seasons you don't believe in Stargate?
1. Yep, no problems with that statement, though they were more likely to be deists than out and out religious. (as in, believe in a higher power rather than a loving caring thoughtful being in the sky)
2. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I was calling the inventions, science, I did state both science and technology in my post. Anyway, a great many technological advances come through the application of science. Many of the inventions listed came from The Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO).
3. Americans are worse, I'm not sure of your point, I'm not sure where I would rather be, probably China if truth be told. (apparently I won't have to wait either, they're moving here)
4. I grew up with the Stargate, but I know it's a TV show (and movies), a fantasy, as in not real. Yes, I still cry while watching Unending, it was an emotional 13 years.
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry
"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
I view the repeal of the carbon tax as a good thing myself. Because what I saw was just so flawed. Not much point in it when it will fail to reduce or halt increasing emissions.
What do you do with a population whose wants are bigger and heavier cars for no reason. We've suddenly jumped from a 1.7 tonn Falcon to 2.2 tonn Territory as the Ford family car.
500 more kg in a car arriving at the showroom is another 5 tonns of CO2 emission. Let alone the extra fuel required to accelerate another 500 kg.
Hopefully the next time we see a carbon tax it is more intelligently put together.
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!! You are no longer customer, you are property!!!
THE full extent of the utterly pointless, but still very real, catastrophic financial and economic pain that climate change hysterics such as Ross Garnaut and Tim Flannery, the members of the Climate Change Authority and The Age newspaper, among many, many more conventional idiots, want to impose on both our economy and every Australian has been thrown into stark relief by the intersection of two events.
You think you've been whacked enough by huge increases in power prices?
Well, you won't have seen anything yet, if those hysterics get their way from a "prime minister Bill Shorten", who still wants to put a very high price on so-called carbon.
And you think we face some tough and painful choices on the budget to get the deficit under control? Pushing out the pension age to 70? Whacking the GST on a whole host of new things?
Well, imagine what even greater pain - what further cuts to government spending, and new and increased taxes - will be needed to cover the even bigger deficits that would be caused by "more action on climate change".
The first event pointing to this, was of course, the latest United Nations' climate conference in Warsaw, which, after two weeks of bloviating and massed carbon dioxide belching from thousands of delegates, came within a whisker of a catastrophe of truly global proportions.
No, not the melting of the icecaps, the wholesale genocide of polar bears, the frying of Australia, and countless other fantasy disasters.
But something far more potent and immediate: the derailing of the great climate change gravy train, that gathers ups billions and even tens of billions of dollars each year.
Those thousands gathered in Warsaw didn't only have a duty to themselves to keep the gravy train rolling, all the way through next year to Lima in Peru; and then on to Paris in 2015.
No, they had a much bigger duty, to all those hundreds of thousands more who sup at the great climate change gravy train wayside stops.
From the tens of thousands of climate change "researchers" around the world; the similar numbers working away in climate change bureaucracies; the non-governmental bodies like our Climate Institute, individuals like Garnaut and Flannery; and on to all the thousands in the useless "renewable energy (sic) sector", sucking on subsidies from governments and consumers.
For if those annual climate talkfests were to finally crumble away into the reality of their pointlessness, it would not only wipe out the gravy for the direct participants, it would threaten to whip it away, Oliver Twist style, from all the other climate mainchancers as well.
And it very nearly came to that. At the last minute the gravy train was kept on the rails, only by agreement to change one - THE one - word.
All the participant countries are supposed to detail what cuts they will - voluntarily, oh yeah - commit to at the big-deal Paris conference in 2015. Now, instead, they will be required only to outline their individual "contributions".
That is to say, the world will now spend the next two years wasting billions of dollars and belching evermore CO2, to reach a final agreement that will do three fifths of five eighths of very little to cut CO2 emissions.
China, now the world's biggest emitter, is not going to cut at all, while Japan dropped the bombshell that its previous commitment to "contribute" a 25 per cent cut in its emissions by 2020 would now be either a 3.8 per cent cut or indeed even a 3 per cent INCREASE, depending on how the calculation was done.
Wow, Terry sure sounds hysterical. I do like how he managed to call a great many people hysterical idiots for disagreeing with his outlook.
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry
"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
nobody believed this climate change thing did they??? Peter
Count du Monet
20 Nov 2013, 09:41 AM
I view the repeal of the carbon tax as a good thing myself. Because what I saw was just so flawed. Not much point in it when it will fail to reduce or halt increasing emissions.
What do you do with a population whose wants are bigger and heavier cars for no reason. We've suddenly jumped from a 1.7 tonn Falcon to 2.2 tonn Territory as the Ford family car.
500 more kg in a car arriving at the showroom is another 5 tonns of CO2 emission. Let alone the extra fuel required to accelerate another 500 kg.
Hopefully the next time we see a carbon tax it is more intelligently put together.
And we the Australian people subsidise inefficient cars, all the while we have a government that taxes people for climate change????? Really. Peter :pop:
An internationally agreed target to limit rises in global average temperatures to within 2 degrees is around double the threshold that would avoid catastrophic climate change, a study by 18 eminent scientists said.
Governments decided in 2009 that such temperature increases needed to be no more than 2 degrees above pre-industrial levels to avoid effects such as more extreme weather, higher sea levels and ocean acidification.
They aim to agree by 2015 on a global deal to cut the greenhouse gas emissions blamed for climate change, but the reductions will not come into force until after 2020.
Last month, a United Nations conference in Warsaw kept alive hopes for the 2015 deal but nations made little progress on committing to ambitious emission cuts to keep the world on track towards the 2 degree target.
A study published in US-based scientific journal PLOS One on Tuesday said the 2 degree limit was too high and a more appropriate target was around 1 degree.
"Some climate extremes are already increasing in response to warming of several tenths of a degree in recent decades; these extremes would likely be much enhanced with warming of 2 degrees or more," the report's authors said in a statement.
Temperature rise
The scientists involved in the study are James Hansen and Jeffrey Sachs of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, Pushker Kharecha of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and 15 other climate experts from universities and institutes across the world.
"An appropriate target is to keep global temperature within or close to the temperature range in the Holocene - the interglacial period in which civilisation developed," they said.
The Holocene is the current geological epoch that started around 11,700 years ago and has experienced relatively stable temperatures.
The world cooled slowly in the last half of the Holocene but warming of 0.8 degree C over the past 100 years has brought the global temperature back to near the epoch's maximum, the study said.
Warming could be held to around 1 degree C if emissions from burning fossil fuels were cut by 6 percent a year from 2013 and by reforestation, which would result in 500 billion metric tons (551.16 billion tons) of cumulative carbon in the atmosphere near the end of the century, the study said.
However, if emissions continued to grow until 2020, they would then have to be reduced by 15 percent a year to reach 500 billion metric tons.
"The huge fossil fuel energy infrastructure now in place makes it practically certain that the 500 (billion metric tons) limit will be exceeded," the study said.
The United Nations' panel of climate experts has said the world needs to stay within a 1 trillion metric tons "carbon budget" to meet the 2 degree target.
However, this level would spur slower climate effects such as ice melt and ocean acidification and result in warming of 3-4 degrees C, the PLOS One study said.
Sunspot activity will ensure an ice age is imminent by 2020. At that time there will be massive subsidies for people to increase their use of greenhouse gases. Burn-off in your backyard? You get a sun-herald voucher.
Sunspot activity will ensure an ice age is imminent by 2020
Doesn't mean anything, the Sun's energy output only varies by one percent over the 11 year cycle.
As far as is understood the climate has been growing slowly colder since about 5000 BC, this would continue until another ice age started thousands of years in the future. Although CO2 rising to about 580 ppmv in the atmosphere would prevent another ice age. This was all theorized by Arrhenius over a century ago. There hasn't been much improvement on his original insight.
He projected it would take 3000 years to reach 580 ppmv grossly understating industrial growth. His views only circulated in Germany and Scandinavia pre WW2. Interest from the Anglo world only started post WW2, satellite data confirming his theory in the 1960's.
There no evidence that a level of 580 ppmv will prove detrimental to humanity. Most agree that post 1000 ppmv could see humanity on the path to extinction. Even reaching 1000 ppmv the ice caps and glaciers would take a few thousand years to fully disappear. Mammals aren't well adapted to an atmosphere post 1000 ppmv and would begin to suffer blood acidosis leading to permanent state of chronic illness and shortened lifespan.
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!! You are no longer customer, you are property!!!
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