Been driving around Perth today. Man there has been some houses sell. City Beach every house with a sign on it had sold or under offer. Anyone else seeing this??? Peter
I've decided on Plan C for myself, you guys can have your expensive houses all you want, I'm working up enough of a buffer to migrate away from this country. I've almost finished my internationally recognised IT course. I'm sure I'll be welcome in Britain, the USA or somewhere similar, pretty much anywhere with real internet, haven't decided the destination yet.
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry
"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
Still waiting on your story about how the Irish economy was brought down by Lehman brothers.
Perhaps today you have time to tell it?
More made up bullshit from a little guy who thinks he knows Ireland better than the Irish
Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993 The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
I've decided on Plan C for myself, you guys can have your expensive houses all you want, I'm working up enough of a buffer to migrate away from this country. I've almost finished my internationally recognised IT course. I'm sure I'll be welcome in Britain, the USA or somewhere similar, pretty much anywhere with real internet, haven't decided the destination yet.
I'm uncertain why people get this defeatist attitude about booming house prices locking them out of the market. Why do you covet home ownership that much that you're willing to emigrate? You live in a country that has world class public health care, low crime and relative prosperity. Unless you're a total loser or extremely unfortunate it's unlikely you'll ever end up on the streets without a roof over your head.
The ability to buy a nice house at an affordable price in a convenient location isn't a birthright. And realistically you're likely to find the same thing happening to property prices in any other western country you go to.
What's wrong with renting? In effect it's the idiots that are paying crazy prices for property that are subsiding your lifestyle through shitty yields. They think they're going to jack up rents eventually to stem their losses but rising unemployment will in all likelihood see off that idea.
You only have a short time on this earth - property insanity can last for decades. It might be time to reconsider your expectations rather than your country of residency.
BTW I don't know what I.T course you're doing, but as a programmer I'm earning more over here than I did in London - and you'll be lucky to get a pokey 2 bedroom flat there for under £500k ($850k AUD)
"It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse races." - Mark Twain on why he avoids discussing house prices over at MacroBusiness. "Buy land, they're not making any more of it." - Georgist Land Tax proponent Mark Twain laughing in his grave at humourless idiots like skamy that continually use this quip to justify housing bubbles.
Heh, I only need a 1 bedroom flat, don't need more, won't need more, ever.
I may live close to Melbourne CBD now, but I wouldn't dream of living in London, maybe somewhere on the outskirts or further out.
Last time I used a hospital was when I was beat up by bloods. (Random mugging)
I can get my glasses, sent from the UK, cheaper than I can buy them from an optometrist in Melbourne.
Healthcare in England is free for all permanent residents, paid for by taxes, same as in Sweden, I'm not sure if our Medicare system could be held to the same regard. Especially with the dwindling amount of doctors that provide bulk billing, which also only covers selected services. I know the US system is dismal, but really only if you're unemployed. I'm not thinking of elective surgery anytime in the future. Australia ranks 32nd in healthcare according to the WHO.
My IT course is Networking and hardware based, haven't been a programmer since high school, don't ever want to be a project manager.
Nothing wrong with renting, been renting so far, probably rent for a while wherever I end up.
We're too isolated here in Australia and it's done something to people's psyche's, I want to live in a country that exists now, not wishes it was still 50 years ago.
Australian's pay more for music, movies, gadgets, software, hardware, furniture, white goods, electronics, even things/food manufactured in Australia are sold cheaper overseas, our population isn't big enough to compete.
Oh and real internet isn't happening here, The Liberal Party won't ever say they were wrong. If they do, I might decide to stay. (not holding my breath though)
I've met many an ex successful person at the various food vans in Melbourne, while it is unlikely that a lot of people will end up on the streets, it can happen, no matter how good or popular you are.
"If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life's exciting variety, not something to fear." - Gene Roddenberry
"Balloon animals are a great way to teach children that the things they love dearly, may spontaneously explode" -- Lee Camp
I've decided on Plan C for myself, you guys can have your expensive houses all you want, I'm working up enough of a buffer to migrate away from this country. I've almost finished my internationally recognised IT course. I'm sure I'll be welcome in Britain, the USA or somewhere similar, pretty much anywhere with real internet, haven't decided the destination yet.
Iceland if you can get there. One of the highest standards of living in the world. Smart people. Peter :pop:
Kulganis
18 Sep 2013, 04:44 AM
Heh, I only need a 1 bedroom flat, don't need more, won't need more, ever.
I may live close to Melbourne CBD now, but I wouldn't dream of living in London, maybe somewhere on the outskirts or further out.
Last time I used a hospital was when I was beat up by bloods. (Random mugging)
I can get my glasses, sent from the UK, cheaper than I can buy them from an optometrist in Melbourne.
Healthcare in England is free for all permanent residents, paid for by taxes, same as in Sweden, I'm not sure if our Medicare system could be held to the same regard. Especially with the dwindling amount of doctors that provide bulk billing, which also only covers selected services. I know the US system is dismal, but really only if you're unemployed. I'm not thinking of elective surgery anytime in the future. Australia ranks 32nd in healthcare according to the WHO.
My IT course is Networking and hardware based, haven't been a programmer since high school, don't ever want to be a project manager.
Nothing wrong with renting, been renting so far, probably rent for a while wherever I end up.
We're too isolated here in Australia and it's done something to people's psyche's, I want to live in a country that exists now, not wishes it was still 50 years ago.
Australian's pay more for music, movies, gadgets, software, hardware, furniture, white goods, electronics, even things/food manufactured in Australia are sold cheaper overseas, our population isn't big enough to compete.
Oh and real internet isn't happening here, The Liberal Party won't ever say they were wrong. If they do, I might decide to stay. (not holding my breath though)
I've met many an ex successful person at the various food vans in Melbourne, while it is unlikely that a lot of people will end up on the streets, it can happen, no matter how good or popular you are.
Hi, I would advise you to really look at dropping the socialist ideals. If you want it you got to work out how to get it. Glasses from England?? Why don't you start making really good cheap glasses?? Peter :pop:
Heh, I only need a 1 bedroom flat, don't need more, won't need more, ever.
I may live close to Melbourne CBD now, but I wouldn't dream of living in London, maybe somewhere on the outskirts or further out.
Last time I used a hospital was when I was beat up by bloods. (Random mugging)
I can get my glasses, sent from the UK, cheaper than I can buy them from an optometrist in Melbourne.
Healthcare in England is free for all permanent residents, paid for by taxes, same as in Sweden, I'm not sure if our Medicare system could be held to the same regard. Especially with the dwindling amount of doctors that provide bulk billing, which also only covers selected services. I know the US system is dismal, but really only if you're unemployed. I'm not thinking of elective surgery anytime in the future. Australia ranks 32nd in healthcare according to the WHO.
My IT course is Networking and hardware based, haven't been a programmer since high school, don't ever want to be a project manager.
Nothing wrong with renting, been renting so far, probably rent for a while wherever I end up.
We're too isolated here in Australia and it's done something to people's psyche's, I want to live in a country that exists now, not wishes it was still 50 years ago.
Australian's pay more for music, movies, gadgets, software, hardware, furniture, white goods, electronics, even things/food manufactured in Australia are sold cheaper overseas, our population isn't big enough to compete.
Oh and real internet isn't happening here, The Liberal Party won't ever say they were wrong. If they do, I might decide to stay. (not holding my breath though)
I've met many an ex successful person at the various food vans in Melbourne, while it is unlikely that a lot of people will end up on the streets, it can happen, no matter how good or popular you are.
By far and away the most common cause of ending up on the streets in Australia, is some kind of mental health issue or drug and alcohol problems. Australia has one of the best safety nets in the world that I have observed and I have traveled extensively. Our healthcare also beats the pants of the NHS where you can wait 6 months for a CT scan.
If you want to move country and travel it is much better to take a positive attitude rather than an attitude of escapism, IMHO you will not find a better more egalitarian society than here (excepting some of our detrimental policies to the original Ozzies). I literally used to weep and mourn for months every time Thatcher won an election when I was young, so I can understand how you are feeling about things believe it or not.
The property market is a juggernaut, controlled by significant forces and unfortunately we all act as lemmings. The best time to have bought your 1 bedder has past, but it is still a good time to buy if you plan to live there and hold over the long term. It is futile to wish for a price crash, the people who sold this fairytale are IMHO complete charlatans as they have caused a generation of young people who followed them to suffer a severe financial set back.
No one wins any medals for shooting themselves in the foot, I think if folk make good sensible financial decisions for themselves then they will always be in a stronger position to contribute to society positively. Making poor decisions based on a set of made-up judgmental self-righteous ethics that some internet and vocal doomsters have decided to place on the property market is not a good way to go. Don't get me wrong there is plenty wrong with the property market, but there is more wrong with our energy markets, and more wrong with other more important issues in our society, IMHO.
Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993 The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
What people with shitty politics don't understand is that it has fuck all to do with where Bob Geldof goes on his holidays and everything to do with the structural composition of our society and its economy.
Agreed, while the sanctimonious sermonising from privileged people like Fonda, Bono and Geldof make me want to puke, it's a straw man / ad hominem argument to tar everyone else seeking a more egalitarian society with the same brush. It's like denying climate change because Al Gore's a wanker.
Interesting comparison in that Krugman video between the incomes of school teachers and a hedge fund manager. Still never fails to blow my mind at how much loot those guys got away with.
(cue Pig Iron pulling his grubby snout out of the trough for a second to make a snide remark about whining socialists)
Kulganis
18 Sep 2013, 04:44 AM
Heh, I only need a 1 bedroom flat, don't need more, won't need more, ever.
I may live close to Melbourne CBD now, but I wouldn't dream of living in London, maybe somewhere on the outskirts or further out.
Last time I used a hospital was when I was beat up by bloods. (Random mugging)
I can get my glasses, sent from the UK, cheaper than I can buy them from an optometrist in Melbourne.
Healthcare in England is free for all permanent residents, paid for by taxes, same as in Sweden, I'm not sure if our Medicare system could be held to the same regard. Especially with the dwindling amount of doctors that provide bulk billing, which also only covers selected services. I know the US system is dismal, but really only if you're unemployed. I'm not thinking of elective surgery anytime in the future. Australia ranks 32nd in healthcare according to the WHO.
My IT course is Networking and hardware based, haven't been a programmer since high school, don't ever want to be a project manager.
Nothing wrong with renting, been renting so far, probably rent for a while wherever I end up.
We're too isolated here in Australia and it's done something to people's psyche's, I want to live in a country that exists now, not wishes it was still 50 years ago.
Australian's pay more for music, movies, gadgets, software, hardware, furniture, white goods, electronics, even things/food manufactured in Australia are sold cheaper overseas, our population isn't big enough to compete.
Oh and real internet isn't happening here, The Liberal Party won't ever say they were wrong. If they do, I might decide to stay. (not holding my breath though)
I've met many an ex successful person at the various food vans in Melbourne, while it is unlikely that a lot of people will end up on the streets, it can happen, no matter how good or popular you are.
sounds like you want to spread your wings a bit, and if you haven't got kids like I do then London is the perfect place to do it, it's a fantastic city to experience, as well as giving you a chance to hone your new-found I.T skills.
Just don't go expecting a reasonable property market, you'l be sorely disappointed - not only are houses expensive in the uk, they're also very small
"It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse races." - Mark Twain on why he avoids discussing house prices over at MacroBusiness. "Buy land, they're not making any more of it." - Georgist Land Tax proponent Mark Twain laughing in his grave at humourless idiots like skamy that continually use this quip to justify housing bubbles.
Ignore posts by The Whole Truth · View Post · End Ignoring The forum fuckwit goes RRRAAARRRGGHHhhh - But not a fuck was given..................by anyone.
Still waiting on your story about how the Irish economy was brought down by Lehman brothers.
Perhaps today you have time to tell it?
More made up bullshit from a little guy who thinks he knows Ireland better than the Irish
And yet you still wont answer the question.
You said that the US banks were to blame for the Irish collapse. You said that, not me. Shall I quote you again?
And you wont admit your mistake.
You're a fraud.
Property acquisition as a topic was almost a national obsession. You couldn't even call it speculation as the buyers all presumed the price of property could only go up. That’s why we use the word obsession. Ordinary people were buying properties for their young children who had not even left school assuming they would not be able to afford property of their own when they left college- Klaus Regling on Ireland. Sound familiar?
The evidence of nearly 40 cycles in house prices for 17 OECD economies since 1970 shows that real house prices typically give up about 70 per cent of their rise in the subsequent fall, and that these falls occur slowly. Morgan Kelly:On the Likely Extent of Falls in Irish House Prices, 2007
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