No i am not fighting anything as it is a waste of energy. I am merely forwarding a view that if you choose any path no mater how noble it may seem it often has an opposite effect than the one intended. Peter from Gnarabup :pop: After all if someone wants to waist their life sitting in an office working for coloured pieces of paper waiting for retirement, far be it for me to say it's wrong. Just don't tell me it's right for me. Socialists think that just because they like socialism that every one else should to. And i should pay for them to sit around licking each others anuses. Between cinnamon buns and coffee, staff meetings, team building workshops, team building trips, overseas workshops, man this shit never stops. Just extrapolate the position to it's end. Everyone moves to Canberra, and taxe WHO? Government is like a cancer it sucks in resources and does nothing for the organism. In the end like Grease and Rome it dies. But hey the Visigoths had some fun. Peter :pop: "helping a socialist" is like helping an obese person by handing them a plate of cookies. It makes them happy for a while but the behaviour in the end totally destroys them. If you aren't going to try to use your brain i will have to stop as this is not working i will just hand you the cookies.
I still think you are concerned with inefficiency, which is very different to 'socialism'. Someone like Frank, who has no kids, has to pay for my kids education through his taxes. That is socialism. It is unfair from Frank's perspective. I think it's great. Argue against that for a little bit. You could stop govt funding of all schools, and just have private education. But the thing you need to appreciate is that the schools would still need to be paid for. The only thing that changes is who pays for them. And you also need to appreciate that while this may benefit some people, and would quite possibly be a fairer system, is it in the nations benefit?
Whenever you have an argument with someone, there comes a moment where you must ask yourself, whatever your political persuasion, 'am I the Nazi?'
So there are no paper shufflers In large companies? Are you fighting socialism or bureaucracy?
No i am not fighting anything as it is a waste of energy. I am merely forwarding a view that if you choose any path no mater how noble it may seem it often has an opposite effect than the one intended. Peter from Gnarabup :pop: After all if someone wants to waist their life sitting in an office working for coloured pieces of paper waiting for retirement, far be it for me to say it's wrong. Just don't tell me it's right for me. Socialists think that just because they like socialism that every one else should to. And i should pay for them to sit around licking each others anuses. Between cinnamon buns and coffee, staff meetings, team building workshops, team building trips, overseas workshops, man this shit never stops. Just extrapolate the position to it's end. Everyone moves to Canberra, and taxe WHO? Government is like a cancer it sucks in resources and does nothing for the organism. In the end like Grease and Rome it dies. But hey the Visigoths had some fun. Peter :pop: "helping a socialist" is like helping an obese person by handing them a plate of cookies. It makes them happy for a while but the behaviour in the end totally destroys them. If you aren't going to try to use your brain i will have to stop as this is not working i will just hand you the cookies.
Property acquisition as a topic was almost a national obsession. You couldn't even call it speculation as the buyers all presumed the price of property could only go up. That’s why we use the word obsession. Ordinary people were buying properties for their young children who had not even left school assuming they would not be able to afford property of their own when they left college- Klaus Regling on Ireland. Sound familiar?
The evidence of nearly 40 cycles in house prices for 17 OECD economies since 1970 shows that real house prices typically give up about 70 per cent of their rise in the subsequent fall, and that these falls occur slowly. Morgan Kelly:On the Likely Extent of Falls in Irish House Prices, 2007
You think housing activity must have NG? I think it could do without it and if couldn't, you know how stuffed the whole industry is having to rely on handouts completely! Know your facts fool. Billions wasted. Period.
they removed NG in the 80's it did not crash prices or rents.
you just don't have a leg to stand on you fucking psychopath.
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I still think you are concerned with inefficiency, which is very different to 'socialism'. Someone like Frank, who has no kids, has to pay for my kids education through his taxes. That is socialism. It is unfair from Frank's perspective. I think it's great. Argue against that for a little bit. You could stop govt funding of all schools, and just have private education. But the thing you need to appreciate is that the schools would still need to be paid for. The only thing that changes is who pays for them. And you also need to appreciate that while this may benefit some people, and would quite possibly be a fairer system, is it in the nations benefit?
I totally agree with you. The question is what if fair and where does fair lead? If we had a fair bicycle race would that mean sabotaging the champions bike?? Would it mean roping a boxing champions arm behind his back? Fair? Really. Would you remove part of a chess masters brain?? Come on you can do better than that. Peter :pop:
I totally agree with you. The question is what if fair and where does fair lead? If we had a fair bicycle race would that mean sabotaging the champions bike?? Would it mean roping a boxing champions arm behind his back? Fair? Really. Would you remove part of a chess masters brain?? Come on you can do better than that. Peter :pop:
No - but if there was a young cyclist who showed bags of potential, and was actually much stronger than the leading cyclists, but he had a really crappy bike because his parents had no money, and the top cyclist wasn't that good, but his parents were rich and bought him a fantastic bike that gave him an advantage - if we gave the good bike to the super fit kid with the crappy bike, we would have a better chance of winning gold at the Olympics.
Socialism can work for the better good, but it works best with capitalism. (if there was no competition all the cyclists would be crap). Communism doesn't work.
Can you not see this?
Whenever you have an argument with someone, there comes a moment where you must ask yourself, whatever your political persuasion, 'am I the Nazi?'
No - but if there was a young cyclist who showed bags of potential, and was actually much stronger than the leading cyclists, but he had a really crappy bike because his parents had no money, and the top cyclist wasn't that good, but his parents were rich and bought him a fantastic bike that gave him an advantage - if we gave the good bike to the super fit kid with the crappy bike, we would have a better chance of winning gold at the Olympics.
in a capitalist world the young gun with lots of potential could get sponsorship for a new bike, he doesn't NEED to rely on his parents to buy it for him.
all you are doing is artificially limiting the potential inputs to get the desired outcome.
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After a bubble has burst, no one denies that it existed. But before it does, the popular refrain is that though bubbles existed elsewhere in the world, “there’s no bubble here”. So housing bubbles are admitted to have existed in Japan, the USA, Spain and Ireland – because they’ve already burst.
Haha your laughable, that has been debunked into space. Your out of your depth toilet scrubber.
Billion wasted, fool.
no it's been covered on here many times. removing NG had little to no effect, in fact rents increased at a much faster rate during that period, and most importantly housing prices did not crash at all.
anyway, if there really are billions on offer, who's the fool not taking advantage of it? you.
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no it's been covered on here many times. removing NG had little to no effect, in fact rents increased at a much faster rate during that period, and most importantly housing prices did not crash at all.
I don't think it is reasonable to say rents increased much faster than they otherwise would have.
For one thing, the period was too short to really draw any conclusions, and for another it was a period of relatively high inflation anyway.
But it is definitely true that rents rose everywhere during the period, contrary to claims by people who should know better like Saul Eslake.
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. --Gloria Steinem AREPS™
no it's been covered on here many times. removing NG had little to no effect, in fact rents increased at a much faster rate during that period, and most importantly housing prices did not crash at all.
anyway, if there really are billions on offer, who's the fool not taking advantage of it? you.
NG encourages speculation and infestors like you cherry pick information to justify your greed and general stupidity.
Nice to see your now admitting that your leeching off the tax payer, wear your scum badge with pride!
After a bubble has burst, no one denies that it existed. But before it does, the popular refrain is that though bubbles existed elsewhere in the world, “there’s no bubble here”. So housing bubbles are admitted to have existed in Japan, the USA, Spain and Ireland – because they’ve already burst.
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