The Syria Thread: Momentum building for Western military strike against Syria; President Bashar Assad's government responsible for chemical attack on civilians outside Damascus
Tweet Topic Started: 28 Aug 2013, 03:51 PM (5,673 Views)
Apply you're own logic against you, have you seen these rebels with Sarin gas, do you have proof Saudi Arabia trained them, do you have proof this is not all a Russian or Syrian plot. Offcourse Russia will blame the Rebels, its perfect sainthood dictator in Syria can do no wrong.
So you are taking the side of a dictator that slaughters his own population simply to hold onto power against the majority of what the people want. Assad only represents a minority. It would be like the Greens telling the rest of the 90% of Australia's population how to live, oh wait we just had 3 years of that and look how it turned out and we are a peaceful nation.
Oh yes, just like the US wanted all the Iraqi oil even though they already had more then they needed in allied nations nearby. I don't see any Iraqi oil going to the US, its mostly going to China, Americas main threat for the next 50 years.
So now its all about gas even though it is far less trouble and more secure to transport gas via LNG ships as Qatar does to nations such as Japan.
You are wrong and naïve and take a simplistic view. It is nothing to do with Gas but complete domination and control of the entire middle east. It is Sunni vs Shia Muslims with Saudi Arabia and Iran as the regional leaders. Russia backs Iran of which Syria is an Iranian ally, If Syria and Iran roll over or lose Russia loses all influence and allies in the middle east. Saudi Arabia is backed by the USA and nearly all other middle eastern nations to stop Iran dominating the region.
Ask yourself why did the US not destroy Iran's nuclear program, why has it not bombed Syria. If the USA is so evil surely it would simply launch an attack and be done with these pesky upstarts. The US certainly has the military power to deal with both. The reason is both are not critical US interests in which it needs to waste its national power on. Iran is a threat but not a critical threat to the US, it is a threat to US allies in the region but US military power can deal with anything Iran may do. The US is trying to avoid a nuclear arms race in the region which goes against US interests. If everyone starts getting nuclear weapons they no longer require US protection and the US loses much of its influence. The other threat is to the world economy via oil supply, it is in US interest for no war vs Iran so not to disrupt world wide oil supply. Although the US does not get much oil from this region any more China get nearly all of its oil from the Persian Gulf, along with Japan and much of Asia. Anyway would devastate Chinas economy which is a major US trading partner and would hurt US economic interests.
Syria on the other hand offers the US nothing to gain. The US only wants to prevent chemical weapons spreading into the wrong hands or the war spreading into other nations. Who do you think kept Turkey in check when they wanted blood over Turkish civilians being killed by Syrian Government forces firing into Turkey. Syria despite the Human tragedy offers little to US interests other then a headache and a drain on resources. It is of some benefit to US allies in the region is a pro-US government can be installed but that is unlikely and more likely Syria will remain in chaos for years to come as the nation tears itself apart.
As for the Arab spring it is mostly a revolution against many of the dictators which have remained in power far to long and serve against the best interests of the population. The middle eastern population is booming and can no longer be kept in check without political reforms. The war in Iraq showed how even a powerful dictator who once controlled a military that was the 4th largest in the world can be forced from power. Obama speeches in Cario also allowed opposition parties to broaden there view. No longer could Muslim governments claim the US was the evil master when Obama was ending the wars and is half Muslim himself with a Muslim relatives. It opened peoples eyes to what is possible.
It is rather strange that you think one of the biggest US allies in the region Egypt would be in US interests to be in turmoil. Why would the US want to see its ally in turmoil and open the door to radical Islamic parties taking over as we see now. It runs counter to US interest and 50 years of US effort in the region.
I do not support Assad but most of his country seems to support him and I don't think US or anyone else should intervene in their civil war which probably would not even exist if other countries were not arming the rebels.
I note you are saying the CIA has intercepts proving Assad used the chemical weapons. This is like trusting the CIA when they said that Iraq has WMD's, is this your evidence? They have no intercepts they have released proving Assad did it if not why not release them? Where is your evidence they have proof he did it intercepts or otherwise other than the CIA or USA says so?
USA should not start a war unless there is difinitive proof. All wars are over natural resourses or power/money/profit alliances and this is no exception. Who gave the US the right to be the worlds Police without a UN mandate and start illegal wars?
Assad is bad but the rebels are no better and are likely worse. A stable bad guy is with chemical weapons is better than a mix mash of unstable rebels with chemical weapons.
If US is so against chemical weapons why don't they ban there manufacture?
Who has the largest stocks of chemical wepons in the world? Oh yeah its the USA, hypocricy much?
There is no evidence an attack would achieve anything, let alone rid they country of chemical weapons so what is the point?
There is always more to these conflicts than meet the eye. Lets not be so naive as to believe this is about kids dying with chemical weapons, you are being simplistic if you believe that.
They did catch rebels with Sarin in Turkey a month ago which proves they have and can get Sarin does it not?
Yes it is about the USA gaining control over the middle east and they are doing it country by country. Do you think Russia wants USA to build bases right on its arse once they install a puppet government?
Let the Syrians sort out their own country for themselves if they all kill themselves in the process so be it.
If these religious nuts are prepared to die because of loyalty to a different branch of the same religion, who are we to stop them?
It was a huge blunder by the VP. Almost impossible to know if the helicopter was targeted due to the seals or just another target like other helicopters shot down with large losses.
What I do find surprising is elite seals traveling with afghans, that is a major blunder as you cannot 100% trust them.
A combination of errors as the seal commander should never have allowed that to happen, that's why the seals use their own highly trained pilots and modified helicopters.
Mike, Do the following news sources show rebel groups had access to Sarin? Is it not then a possibility then they could have been responsible for discarging the gas and killing many people maybe accidently?
Where is your evidence to support your opinion that most Syriams do not sypport Assad?
Do you think it is just coincidence that so many members of Seal Team Six were killed in this incident in light that - After many of them were fearing for thir life at this time (far more than previous as their families attest)? - that escourt and security protocals were not followed when they died?
This is a good article. Convenient the USA is relying on classified sources regarding who let of the weapons but will not release details. Just like the WMDS.
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It was a huge blunder by the VP. Almost impossible to know if the helicopter was targeted due to the seals or just another target like other helicopters shot down with large losses.
What I do find surprising is elite seals traveling with afghans, that is a major blunder as you cannot 100% trust them.
A combination of errors as the seal commander should never have allowed that to happen, that's why the seals use their own highly trained pilots and modified helicopters.
Things that make you go mmmmmm..................
Anyhow, I don't believe any of them got Obama. I am more inclined to believe the assassinated Benazir Bhutto's account when she was explaining about a certain figure and mentioned that the same person killed Osama a few years ago. That was said under during an interview with David Frost.
So crashing choppers, procedural irregularities, why were they all on board, political convenience this all reminds me of the RAF's biggest peacetime loss of life when that Chinook went down in mysterious circumstances in the 90's at the Mull of Kintyre. All quite timely for me as I will be visiting the on site memorial plaque in eightst days time. Its a complete outrage that the pilots family had to fight for so long against the establishment to eventually get his name cleared, fucking disgrace, the official cause is now "unknown".
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It was a huge blunder by the VP. Almost impossible to know if the helicopter was targeted due to the seals or just another target like other helicopters shot down with large losses.
What I do find surprising is elite seals traveling with afghans, that is a major blunder as you cannot 100% trust them.
A combination of errors as the seal commander should never have allowed that to happen, that's why the seals use their own highly trained pilots and modified helicopters.
So no conspiracy!!
modified helicopters??You do realise they where flying in a shit old 1958 chinook.
Additionally procedure is = no more than 1x seal team(6 members) flys together, on this flight 4 crews on one flight.
And as for the CIA and Mossad intercepts, that is what is called the Troodos Conundrum.
The best and most powerful close by listening centre never picked up any "I told you to fucking disarm it, not arm it you fucking son of a camel, dumkopf, Alah Akber!", nothing of the kind, in fact there were no intercepts whatsoever.
Yes I agree with you. They normally use their own modified spec ops helicopters and crews and not Ch-47 Chinooks.
If you think it It is a conspiracy that is you're choice, I think it is a combination or errors which happens during wartime such as friendly fire killing your own soldiers.
Not every thing in war can be explained in black and white.
But we are getting way off topic, but I do enjoy reading the varied views.
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