Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]


Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 3
Where will Australian house prices be in two years time?
Up 21% or more 1 (4%)
Up 11-20% 10 (40%)
Up 1-10% 5 (20%)
No change 0 (0%)
Down 1-10% 2 (8%)
Down 11-20% 2 (8%)
Down 21% or more 5 (20%)
Total Votes: 25
Where will Australian house prices be in two years time?; ABS index, national nominal price change by end Q3 2015
Topic Started: 6 Sep 2013, 08:57 AM (2,692 Views)
Alright Jack
Member Avatar


APF bulls are getting overly excited about this dead cat bounce or in my opinion, temporary crack-up boom.

Crack-up boom. The final short-lived boom that occurs in the last stages of a seemingly endless inflation. The crack-up boom results from a “flight into goods or real values” (q.v.) and marks the end of an inflation by a complete breakdown of the monetary system.

This should be an interesting experiment, we can revisit the thread in two years time and see who was right, bulls or bears.

Nominal price change based on ABS index by end of Q3 2015. I voted down 11-20%. 20% is whats needed to get prices to a sensible and affordable level IMHO.

If you have predictions for individual cities please explain in the thread.
Edited by Alright Jack, 6 Sep 2013, 08:58 AM.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
Shadow
Member Avatar
Evil Mouzealot Specufestor

Up 20% nationally, up 30% in Sydney. A 30% nominal rise for Sydney over the next two years would bring the Sydney house price to income ratio back up to 2003 levels - i.e. Sydney house prices would become as affordable as they were back in 2003 (well, actually more affordable in 'mortgage repayment to income' terms, assuming interest rates remain lower than in 2003).
Edited by Shadow, 6 Sep 2013, 09:13 AM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
barns
Member Avatar


Up 11-20%.
“You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means” - Inigo Montoya
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
Gossamer
Member Avatar
44th most prolific poster on APF

I voted up 1-10% but there are many uncertainties which could make it go the other way.
Common sense is a curse - those who have it need to suffer dealing with those who don't have it.

APF idiot list
Nelson
Black Panther
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
doubleview
Member Avatar


It all comes down to interest rates from here!!

This emergency/undertaker level interest rate cycle looks over.

Indicators say no more rate cuts !! May pay to position the portfolio and fix!!

Sorry bulls the delusion cant keep going on no more cuts

Interest rates to stay lower for longer or all shit will break loose!!

Way too many variables but I'll throw it out there! here is my thinking( 2015 Q3 ).

going off of a %5 variable home loan rate.


Sydney = + %10 to 20.................. reason = all immigrants want to move to sydney.

Brisbane = +% 10 to 15................reason = people move from sydney etc as is very affordable compared to.

Adelaide = +%5............................reason = same as Brisbane.

Melbourne = flat...........................reason = plenty of supply.

Perth = flat..................................reason = mining slowdown takes hold

Hobart = flat................................reason = should hold up with some fiscal policy

Gold coast = flat..........................reason = Should hold up becasue of com games investment.

Darwin = down............................reason = getting very unafforadble people justwont go no matter what the work conditions

Canberra = down........................resson = culling of public sector.





Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
skamy
Member Avatar


Alright Jack
6 Sep 2013, 08:57 AM
APF bulls are getting overly excited about this dead cat bounce or in my opinion, temporary crack-up boom.

Crack-up boom. The final short-lived boom that occurs in the last stages of a seemingly endless inflation. The crack-up boom results from a “flight into goods or real values” (q.v.) and marks the end of an inflation by a complete breakdown of the monetary system.

This should be an interesting experiment, we can revisit the thread in two years time and see who was right, bulls or bears.

Nominal price change based on ABS index by end of Q3 2015. I voted down 11-20%. 20% is whats needed to get prices to a sensible and affordable level IMHO.

If you have predictions for individual cities please explain in the thread.
Sydney is already running at a pretty high rate already, almost 6% a quarter.

Perth is seeing above 10% annual growth at the moment and the plus $1m mark is only now starting to move a bit. Big mining royalties, a big tick up in residential building, massive Capex spending (despite some fall offs, spending is still huge for the next few years), some big government infrastructure projects and a likely fantastic WA wheat crop all make Perth a good news story.

Sydney is one of the best cities in the world and offers pretty reasonable prices to rent just now, prices have been stagnant during a time of population growth, so there is plenty of room for a bit of sustainable home building. IMHO, Sydney could go completely daft, and it is all due to the pent up demand created by the doom and gloomers who destroyed confidence in real estate for the past 5 plus years.

Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993
The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
propertymogul
Default APF Avatar


Down 7% nationally.

Sydney - down 5%
Melbourne - down 8%
Brisbane - down 6%
Perth - down 14%
Adelaide - down 8%
Darwin - down 14%
Canberra - down 11%
Gold Coast - down 5%

Not sure if that averages out on a weighted basis to 7% but close enough.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
Strindberg
Member Avatar


Quote:
 
Where will Australian house prices be in two years time?; ABS index, national nominal price change by end Q3 2015


..from?....ABS Q2/2013?
Housing costs to Income broadly unchanged since 1994 - re-ratified here
The People of Australia have the highest median wealth in the World
2002-2012 10 year house price growth the SLOWEST since 1952-1962
"There are two kinds of people in this world: ones that fiddle around wondering whether a thing's right or wrong and guys like us." (Hugo to Gagin in Ride the Pink Horse)
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
zaph
Default APF Avatar


Up nationally lead by Sydney.

I believe Brisbane will not perform as well as some expect.

Many underestimate the effect the coasts (particularly the GC) have on Brisbane. The northern top of the GC would be considered an outer burb of Brisbane in some cities.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
doubleview
Member Avatar


zaph
11 Sep 2013, 12:38 PM
Up nationally lead by Sydney.

I believe Brisbane will not perform as well as some expect.

Many underestimate the effect the coasts (particularly the GC) have on Brisbane. The northern top of the GC would be considered an outer burb of Brisbane in some cities.
Fair point that.

I'm pretty sure beenleigh down is gold coast though !!
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Australian Property Forum · Next Topic »
Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 3



Australian Property Forum is an economics and finance forum dedicated to discussion of Australian and global real estate markets and macroeconomics, including house prices, housing affordability, and the likelihood of a property crash. Is there an Australian housing bubble? Will house prices crash, boom or stagnate? Is the Australian property market a pyramid scheme or Ponzi scheme? Can house prices really rise forever? These are the questions we address on Australian Property Forum, the premier real estate site for property bears, bulls, investors, and speculators. Members may also discuss matters related to finance, modern monetary theory (MMT), debt deflation, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin Ethereum and Ripple, property investing, landlords, tenants, debt consolidation, reverse home equity loans, the housing shortage, negative gearing, capital gains tax, land tax and macro prudential regulation.

Forum Rules: The main forum may be used to discuss property, politics, economics and finance, precious metals, crypto currency, debt management, generational divides, climate change, sustainability, alternative energy, environmental topics, human rights or social justice issues, and other topics on a case by case basis. Topics unsuitable for the main forum may be discussed in the lounge. You agree you won't use this forum to post material that is illegal, private, defamatory, pornographic, excessively abusive or profane, threatening, or invasive of another forum member's privacy. Don't post NSFW content. Racist or ethnic slurs and homophobic comments aren't tolerated. Accusing forum members of serious crimes is not permitted. Accusations, attacks, abuse or threats, litigious or otherwise, directed against the forum or forum administrators aren't tolerated and will result in immediate suspension of your account for a number of days depending on the severity of the attack. No spamming or advertising in the main forum. Spamming includes repeating the same message over and over again within a short period of time. Don't post ALL CAPS thread titles. The Advertising and Promotion Subforum may be used to promote your Australian property related business or service. Active members of the forum who contribute regularly to main forum discussions may also include a link to their product or service in their signature block. Members are limited to one actively posting account each. A secondary account may be used solely for the purpose of maintaining a blog as long as that account no longer posts in threads. Any member who believes another member has violated these rules may report the offending post using the report button.

Australian Property Forum complies with ASIC Regulatory Guide 162 regarding Internet Discussion Sites. Australian Property Forum is not a provider of financial advice. Australian Property Forum does not in any way endorse the views and opinions of its members, nor does it vouch for for the accuracy or authenticity of their posts. It is not permitted for any Australian Property Forum member to post in the role of a licensed financial advisor or to post as the representative of a financial advisor. It is not permitted for Australian Property Forum members to ask for or offer specific buy, sell or hold recommendations on particular stocks, as a response to a request of this nature may be considered the provision of financial advice.

Views expressed on this forum are not representative of the forum owners. The forum owners are not liable or responsible for comments posted. Information posted does not constitute financial or legal advice. The forum owners accept no liability for information posted, nor for consequences of actions taken on the basis of that information. By visiting or using this forum, members and guests agree to be bound by the Zetaboards Terms of Use.

This site may contain copyright material (i.e. attributed snippets from online news reports), the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such content is posted to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democratic, scientific, and social justice issues. This constitutes 'fair use' of such copyright material as provided for in section 107 of US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed for research and educational purposes only. If you wish to use this material for purposes that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Such material is credited to the true owner or licensee. We will remove from the forum any such material upon the request of the owners of the copyright of said material, as we claim no credit for such material.

For more information go to Limitations on Exclusive Rights: Fair Use

Privacy Policy: Australian Property Forum uses third party advertising companies to serve ads when you visit our site. These third party advertising companies may collect and use information about your visits to Australian Property Forum as well as other web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services of interest to you. If you would like more information about this practice and to know your choices about not having this information used by these companies, click here: Google Advertising Privacy FAQ

Australian Property Forum is hosted by Zetaboards. Please refer also to the Zetaboards Privacy Policy