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When will the Australian house price crash begin?; We've been waiting 12 years since now since the first crash call...
Topic Started: 4 Sep 2013, 10:48 PM (7,221 Views)
Shadow
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Well, so far the results are fairly consistent with all the other similar polls since 2007, with the majority believing 'The Crash' will happen 'next year'.

It's always just so close... just around the corner... we're nearly there...
Edited by Shadow, 5 Sep 2013, 09:23 AM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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I voted never, I can not see a point when all the property markets will "crash" at the same time.

There is certainly scope for downward momentum in some areas, but an Australia wide crash, I just do not see happening.


There is pressure to reduce the amount of wage rises now and in the (short to medium future)
There is still a high level of personal debt and interest rates will rise, this is going to make an Australia wide property boom in the near term unlikely too.

Melbourne, maybe around 10% decline between now and 2017 (same year Mel put up) That 10% average though will come at the expense of some particular suburbs that will be well above that and some that will be less than that or even still get some growth happening.
There are some people who seem angry and continuously look for conflict.
Walk away, the battle they are fighting isn't with you, it's with themselves.

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The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics. ~ Thomas Sowell.

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Shadow
5 Sep 2013, 09:22 AM
Well, so far the results are fairly consistent with all the other similar polls since 2007, with the majority believing 'The Crash' will happen 'next year'.

It's always just so close... just around the corner... we're nearly there...
Catweasel say even gurus and experts show inability to see or do the predict of crash,

so mouzealot need to learn that aggregate belief system,

no the indicator for future.

Problem with all a bravado and self belief,

is that it become the blind to its frailties,

and expressed in narrative,

which pay homage to its good fortune,

while trucking along on platform,

which mouse have sketchy the understand.
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mel
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Next Quarter 2 (8.3%)
Next Year 10 (41.7%)
2015 2 (8.3%)
2016 1 (4.2%)
2017 1 (4.2%)
2018 or later 3 (12.5%)
Never 5 (20.8%)

I think Shadow made a great point - the crash is always just around the corner for people with a negative attitude.

Looking at the results so far i just don't understand why the vast majority are expecting a crash next year when we are already experiencing growth and still have rate cuts feeding thought the system.
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mel
5 Sep 2013, 09:44 AM
Next Quarter 2 (8.3%)
Next Year 10 (41.7%)
2015 2 (8.3%)
2016 1 (4.2%)
2017 1 (4.2%)
2018 or later 3 (12.5%)
Never 5 (20.8%)

I think Shadow made a great point - the crash is always just around the corner for people with a negative attitude.

Looking at the results so far i just don't understand why the vast majority are expecting a crash next year when we are already experiencing growth and still have rate cuts feeding thought the system.
Well, the vast majority of actual economists and people did not see the GFC either, so not sure that a majority is a good indicator.
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mel
5 Sep 2013, 09:44 AM
Next Quarter 2 (8.3%)
Next Year 10 (41.7%)
2015 2 (8.3%)
2016 1 (4.2%)
2017 1 (4.2%)
2018 or later 3 (12.5%)
Never 5 (20.8%)

I think Shadow made a great point - the crash is always just around the corner for people with a negative attitude.

Looking at the results so far i just don't understand why the vast majority are expecting a crash next year when we are already experiencing growth and still have rate cuts feeding thought the system.
Catweasel say strange.

If majority of mouse, expert and guru show little the ability to predict pop pop,

then should mouse always expect probability of crash?

It cannot assign coefficient,

because it have no ability or departure point.

Even army of pointy heads under a Greenspan can't see.

So why bunch of rapscalls and mouzealots?

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mel
5 Sep 2013, 09:44 AM

Looking at the results so far i just don't understand why the vast majority are expecting a crash next year when we are already experiencing growth and still have rate cuts feeding thought the system.

Their crash is a figment of their imagination and it will only exist in a virtual medium, they are the best kind of crashes in my books.

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Shadow
5 Sep 2013, 09:22 AM
Well, so far the results are fairly consistent with all the other similar polls since 2007, with the majority believing 'The Crash' will happen 'next year'.

It's always just so close... just around the corner... we're nearly there...
Correct.
Here's the result of a poll from April 2009 that I did on GHPC.

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Housing costs to Income broadly unchanged since 1994 - re-ratified here
The People of Australia have the highest median wealth in the World
2002-2012 10 year house price growth the SLOWEST since 1952-1962
"There are two kinds of people in this world: ones that fiddle around wondering whether a thing's right or wrong and guys like us." (Hugo to Gagin in Ride the Pink Horse)
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mel
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:lol i wonder what the results might be if someone posted the same poll at MB
Catweasel
5 Sep 2013, 09:49 AM
Catweasel say strange.

If majority of mouse, expert and guru show little the ability to predict pop pop,

then should mouse always expect probability of crash?

It cannot assign coefficient,

because it have no ability or departure point.

Even army of pointy heads under a Greenspan can't see.

So why bunch of rapscalls and mouzealots?
good point but the price of money matters and we still have bullets in the holster. Expecting a disaster within the next 12 months under these conditions is more of an emotional prediction than a rational one IMHO.
Edited by mel, 5 Sep 2013, 10:04 AM.
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I voted 2018+

Since 2008 there has been a cottage industry established in predicting house price crashes. This "industry" has become totally discredited over the past 12 months (I visted Steve Keens web site yesterday - he get almost no comments now).

So when a bubble forms, who will listen? This will increase the probability prices exceeding cost, creating excess supply, and causing a real bubble.

I reckon the biggest Bears at this point are probably today's bulls.
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