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Goldbugs... what will you do with your gold? What's the point of holding gold?; Will you eventually convert it into real money, or just hoard it for ever?
Topic Started: 4 Sep 2013, 12:53 PM (6,464 Views)
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5 Sep 2013, 06:53 PM
Costs are only deductible if the venture is income producing.
So the ATO only allows interest deductions on dividend-paying shares?
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5 Sep 2013, 07:08 PM
So the ATO only allows interest deductions on dividend-paying shares?
Yes...
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http://ato.gov.au/Individuals/Investing/In-detail/Receiving-interest-and-dividends/You-and-your-shares-2012-13/?default=&page=12

If you borrowed money to buy shares, you will be able to claim a deduction for the interest incurred on the loan, provided it is reasonable to expect that assessable dividends will be derived from your investment in the shares.
And it's for the same reason that property investors can only claim interest for IPs that are actually rented, or available for rent at market rates.
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5 Sep 2013, 07:17 PM
Yes...

And it's for the same reason that property investors can only claim interest for IPs that are actually rented, or available for rent at market rates.
Thanks for that. I've never levered Australian shares but now I know to choose dividend-payers if I do.
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I see a good deal in favour of holding a minimal portion of one's wealth in do dads and nick knacks when one approaches retirement. (Speaking as a bloke who knows he has NO skills when it comes to shares; So isn't touching them with a barge pole.) Because they (do dads and nick knacks) can be liquidated so much more easily than housing - Without necessarily pushing oneself into a high tax bracket due to the CGT. (Though yep, my understanding is that as things stand anyway, providing the property is in the name of a SMSF, CGT won't be an issue.)

That said, when it comes to the PMs in relation to the do dads things, I'd go with jewelry myself rather than ingots as such. For three reasons: a) I find it more interesting personally; b) If one REALLY knows what they are looking for it's a bit easier to find a 'bargain' - I think? (Though it's presumably WAY easier to get skint if one doesn't really know their stuff); And c) it can give the wearer a bit of pleasure while they are holding it and that's not something that's totally worthless as such - Difficult to quantify; But definitely not worthless - IMO.
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I can't vote as the options are stupid. Gold is a commodity which is bought and sold.
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I can't vote as the options are stupid. Gold is a commodity which is bought and sold.
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5 Sep 2013, 08:28 PM
I can't vote as the options are stupid. Gold is a commodity which is bought and sold.
i'd agree if you could find me a quote from kris sayce or some other well known gold bug telling people to SELL.
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miw
5 Sep 2013, 06:28 PM
You can't? I would have thought you could claim the interest if your gold was leveraged?

No sorry but good try but it must produce income to offset the loss against.


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5 Sep 2013, 07:22 PM
Thanks for that. I've never levered Australian shares but now I know to choose dividend-payers if I do.


Land holding is the same, I have never bothered with it for that reason.


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4 Sep 2013, 12:53 PM

What's the point?
Why don't you ask Asia’s Richest Man, Li Ka-Shing. He is Making Gold Investments. Him and millions more like him.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/asias-richest-man-li-ka-shing-looking-to-make-gold-investments/
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Why don't you ask Asia’s Richest Man, Li Ka-Shing. He is Making Gold Investments. Him and millions more like him.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/asias-richest-man-li-ka-shing-looking-to-make-gold-investments/
I don't have his contact details, and I don't think he posts on the forum.

Why don't you just tell me, if you know the reason, instead of palming the answer off to some obscure HK businessman.
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