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I get really annoyed when people talk about unaffordable housing - you got to make your own luck; We made sacrifices, worked hard, made some smart decisions, and now we have a portfolio
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mel
9 Sep 2013, 05:52 PM
to be fair he has half the equation moops - he just hasn't figured out that most of those things are deliberately kept within a certain bandwidth.
Not really.

You simply won't get affordable housing without a crash and by reducing our ridiculous number of immigrants, and reigning in all the other financial shit.

I think they do know that things are drip fed, and the powers that be are rock solid, they're just wankers posting to make out how intelligent they are.
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Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
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9 Sep 2013, 08:11 PM
Boy are they in for a surprise soon.


Wait a few years and your friends will see their well paid jobs go to Singapore or the Philippines and your tradie mates will still be charging you $250 to put the electric eel down your sewage line.
I can't see those jobs going off-shore. Tradies do well but cap out quite quick unless they reinvest some of their income into their business or use their skills to assist investment opportunities.
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9 Sep 2013, 08:29 PM
I think they do know that things are drip fed, and the powers that be are rock solid, they're just wankers posting to make out how intelligent they are.
im guessing that happens a lot :lol
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Unaffordable

September 10, 2013

In recent weeks we have received several replies about how unaffordable housing is in Australia.

Lots of ‘facts’ were dished up. More like urban myths, if you ask me. These included house prices being seven-plus times average earnings; the drop in net household wealth & overstretched borrowers.

Bollocks.

Wealthy nation

By many measures, we are a very wealthy nation. This has recently been confirmed by two studies – go here & here.

In short – as these hyper-linked reports are long ones – Australians are now comfortably the richest population in the world, with a median wealth of US$194,000 per adult.

Every 14th person you run into in Australia – that’s about 1.6 million of us – falls within the richest one per cent of the planet’s wealthiest people.

The Australia Bureau of Statistics has found that one in five Australian households are now ‘millionaire’ families. This is up from 15 per cent eight years ago.

Wealth (assets less liabilities) of the ‘average’ Australian household stood at $728,000 in fiscal 2012 (the latest figures available). While down about $30,000 on the previous peak two years earlier, wealth has likely rebounded to record highs over the past 12 months due to rising share & house prices.

Average Australian household assets totalled $858,000 last year, whilst total liabilities averaged just $130,000.

The value of the family home accounts for around 40 per cent of net worth. Superannuation & investment property tie for second place with 15 per cent each. The average outstanding home loan was $74,700 in 2011/12, with investment property loans averaging just $42,100.

So we are very well off. There are differences in the degree of wealth between capital cities & regional areas, but just because consumers are not actively spending at present doesn’t mean that they are unable to spend.

Way too much attention is paid to household debt (most of the time incorrectly so), yet our household assets continue to grow at a much faster rate. Australian household wealth is at a record high.

Income ratios

The perception that median property prices are 6 to 7 times earnings is way, way off. At present, when using ABS figures, it is well under 5x. The 25 year average is just above 4.5x. So we are close to the long term average.

Also, if you use the ATO figures for income & not the census – as it is much harder to lie to the ATO than the government statistician (and one in eight households didn’t fill in the income question on the 2011 census form) – you will find household wages are actually 14 times higher than the ABS reports. Better still, use the ATO income figures for couples aged in their late 20s to mid-30s, and you find even higher wage levels.

So on this measure, housing isn’t unaffordable. It, at worst, has gone back to the long-term average.

Mortgage size

For mine, it is the size of the mortgage versus asking dwelling prices which is much more telling.

Today, this ratio is at a ten year low (lower now than in late 2002).

We use household equity to purchase things. Housing in Australia isn’t just shelter; it is a means of leveraging. Right now, there is an enormous amount of leverage to be had.

Just because households are not leveraging at present, doesn’t mean they can’t or won’t.

Overstretched borrowers

Who, indeed, are these overstretched borrowers?

Today, according to new figures released by the ABS late last month, just 14 per cent of Australians’ household income is spent on housing costs. This has changed little in the last 15 or so years. Ten years ago the average cost of housing was 12 per cent of income.

Little change has been seen regarding tenure over the past decade – owners with a mortgage still pay about 18 per cent of their income on housing costs; whist renters pay about 20 per cent on average.

There has been little variation over time, too, when it comes to dwelling type, with detached house owners forking out 13 per cent; town house owners paying 17 per cent & those paying off an apartment shelling out 20 per cent.

First home buyers

Most importantly, there has been a change in housing costs for the 25 to 34 year group. This, typically, first home buyer segment is currently paying 21 per cent of its household income on housing costs. In 2005/06 this group paid, on average, a quarter of its income (25 per cent to make it very clear) on housing.

When looking at the renters in this 25 to 34 segment, today the ABS tells us that they, on average, pay 19 per cent of their household income on housing costs. Whilst in 2005/06 – the last time this official housing cost study was done – this rental group was paying 17%.

Single households

In contrast, there has been an increase – although slight – when it comes to single person households. Today, lone person households spend 19 per cent of their income on housing, compared to 16 per cent ten years ago. Yet in the mid-1990s, when housing across much of the county was perceived to be very affordable, this demographic sector was paying 18 per cent of their income on shelter.

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Today, four out of five households (82 per cent) pay less than 30 per cent of the income on housing. One in eight households pays between 30 and 50 per cent. Just 6 per cent pays more than 50 per cent. Again, this has changed little in recent years.

On these measures Australian housing isn’t unaffordable at all. Importantly, first home buyers are now paying much less now for housing (i.e. owner occupation) than they were seven or so years ago.

As we noted a few weeks back – see here & here – there is more going on with housing demand than meets the eye.

Maybe housing – and in particular, new housing – isn’t perceived to offer ‘value’ for money. That is quite different from being unaffordable. Maybe potential first home buyers can, statistically speaking, afford to buy a home, but the banking process – deposits saved by the borrower & full-time work/long contract employment – prevents them from doing so. Maybe this needs to change. Or – heaven forbid – Gen Y, to label them some way, might need to take fewer options if they really want to buy a home.

Yet for mine, when it comes to first home buyers (and housing affordability in general) buyers have now become way too choosey. This is what happens when you hand out money.

Read more: http://matusikmissive.com.au/2013/09/10/unaffordable/
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Great he is supporting getting rid of the FHOB's
Good to know.
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Alex Barton
12 Sep 2013, 12:07 PM
Also, if you use the ATO figures for income & not the census – as it is much harder to lie to the ATO than the government statistician (and one in eight households didn’t fill in the income question on the 2011 census form) – you will find household wages are actually 14 times higher than the ABS reports. Better still, use the ATO income figures for couples aged in their late 20s to mid-30s, and you find even higher wage levels.
What does this mean? ATO household wages figures are 14 times higher than what the ABS figures?

Is it because it includes all other income including dividends, capital gains tax, etc?
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Latest figures show housing affordability is not as bad as we think

MICHAEL MATUSIK
September 10, 2013 12:40PM

FEELING poorly or just plain poor? Well, the results of a global study by Credit Suisse Research make some interesting reading.

The report shows that Australians are now comfortably the richest population in the world, with a median wealth of $US194,000 per adult.

Closer to home, the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) tells us that our average household wealth (that's assets minus liabilities) topped $728,000 last year - the latest figures available.

And one in five Aussie households, apparently, has reached "millionaire" status - up from 15 per cent eight years ago.

A sizeable chunk of our assets comes from the value of our family homes, which account for about 40 per cent of our net worth.

Superannuation and investment property are in equal second place, contributing about 15 per cent each.

The average outstanding home loan was just $74,200 in 2011-12, with investment property loans averaging just $42,100.

Thus, by many measures, we are quite well off. But I can well imagine the howls from the naysayers, so let me add that while these figures do not erase the realities of rising cost-of-living pressures, they do provide a certain balance in the face of some misconceptions about the economy and, in particular, about our housing affordability.

Let's look at how some of those common misconceptions measure up.

The perception, for example, that median property prices are six to seven times earnings is way off.

At present, when using ABS figures, the numbers are well under five times earnings. The 25-year average, by the way, is just above four-and-a-half times earnings, which makes us very close to the long-term average.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/realestate/news/latest-figures-show-housing-affordability-is-not-as-bad-as-we-think/story-fndbalka-1226716931599
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