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Outer suburbs stretched to breaking point: Melbourne bursting at the seams as population booms; Melbourne's population could pass 5 million by 2025
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Neighbours to lose in push on housing

October 9, 2013
Nick Toscano, Aisha Dow

Neighbours could lose the right of appeal against permits for multistorey apartment towers as part of the state government's push for more affordable housing in a city hurtling towards 6.5 million people.

Planning Minister Matthew Guy will on Wednesday unveil rules making it easier for high-density residential development to be approved under a 40-year metropolitan planning strategy.

One initiative will include a new red-tape-busting system to fast-track planning permit approvals in areas slated for significant housing growth. Local councils would assist in earmarking those areas where the rules would apply.

Mr Guy said the Plan Melbourne strategy would set permanent urban growth boundaries to prevent further sprawl. ''We are not going to grow the next 30 years like we have the last 30 years … and our growth area suburbs are going to start looking different.''

The strategy is also expected to see inner Melbourne's population double in size, according to the Planning Institute of Australia.

''It's a major announcement for planning … we just need everybody to shift their focus on implementation,'' state president Brett Davis said.

But other industry sources said the strategy ''lacked ambition'' and ''was more of the same''.

Building groups said while the plan provided clarity for big developers, there was little support for infill development and ''mum and dad'' builders.

The strategy states Melbourne will need an extra 1 million dwellings by 2050, the bulk of which would be apartments or townhouses rather than detached homes. The majority of new dwellings will also be built in established areas as opposed to outer suburbs where the city's growth has previously been centred.

Under the rules to fast-track affordable housing, developers behind multistorey residential buildings that meet certain guidelines will not be required to notify residents or be subject to third-party appeals. The changes are hoped to cut costs for developers.

Mr Guy said reducing construction costs and house prices while increasing urban density was crucial to cater for the needs of a ballooning population. He said he understood some residents would be opposed to the plans. ''But at least the public know what areas the government and councils expect to change rather than just waking up and saying, 'My god, 12 storeys are going here and everything else around it is two'. They will know the whole precinct is changing, or the whole precinct will remain relatively similar.''

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Oh, I'm sorry, the next 30 years will be different? Well, let's see.

There will be a massive exodus of the youth of our country as they realize that they have been sold down the river. They will use their biggest asset - their passport - and live enormously more fulfilled lives in any number of countries where housing is a basic staple and costs a fraction of what it would cost them to "settle" in Melbourne or elsewhere.

I'm going long on discount air carriers because there will be tens of thousands of these people leaving in the next 5 years or more as these promises "take shape" too little too late. Bye Bye!
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I'm going long on discount air carriers because there will be tens of thousands of these people leaving in the next 5 years or more as these promises "take shape" too little too late. Bye Bye!
i would rethink that one if i were you. You are talking about one way tickets :lol

where do you plan on going?
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This is not a plan. It is a hoax driven by money

October 10, 2013
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Victoria's most senior bureaucrat, Andrew Tongue, recently said that the Victorian government could not control the number or type of apartment towers in Melbourne because of a need for foreign capital.

Asian investment capital ''felt comfortable'' with high-rise development and the government could not fight it.

This candid insight explains much of what is happening to our city and why the Melbourne plan will fail. Money controls development, not a plan.

There has been, on average, one new Melbourne strategy every five years for the past 40 years, but never one like this. It is not a plan but a hoax, at best vacuous and irrelevant, at worst presiding over the destruction of much of what residents hold dear.

Metropolitan plans matter. Good ones direct investment efficiently, protect a city's greatest assets such as amenity and the quality of the environment, and help lessen inequality.

They create a culture of certainty essential to economic success by promoting long-term public and private investment. Everybody knows the plan and works to it over a long time frame.

Where they don't exist, cities are more likely to fail, such as many American cities afflicted with fragmented systems of government.

Melbourne is still benefiting from the strategic thinking of former premier Sir Rupert Hamer and the Melbourne and Metropolitan Board of Works. Unless we rediscover effective urban planning quickly, Melbourne will cease to function effectively with dire consequences for its citizens.

The Victorian government has radically deregulated its land use planning system, giving unprecedented power to developers to determine the shape and function of our city.

Having largely given planning away to private interests, the government is not going to take it back through a powerful metropolitan plan.

The 2013 plan's most serious failure is that it does not redirect transport spending from roads to public transport and link this to land use. No government now has credibility on infrastructure spending promises. But this is a roads strategy. Its promises to deliver new suburban rail lines and the Melbourne Metro are unfunded and unbelievable.

Without a radical extension of public transport, Melbourne cannot work as the city of 6 million to 8 million people the government wants, but will descend into dysfunction.

The government proposes to retain the primacy of the central city, and to foster economic growth in connected metropolitan regions, employment clusters, large-scale redevelopment areas and activity centres. It wants also to foster development in some nearby rural towns. But there is little logic in the choice of growth areas, no funding for infrastructure. These proposals are full of contradictions and are so vague as to be of little use.

Extensive redevelopment will certainly occur, but not guided by this plan. Large parts of Melbourne are becoming high rise already. The heritage values of the central city, Victorian-era strip centres, commercial and mixed-use areas and their residential environs, and arterial roads will be destroyed by high and medium-rise development.

Planning Minister Matthew Guy will not admit to a policy that so fundamentally changes Melbourne's shape, character and functioning because then we would know what he is up to.

Melbourne 2030 sought to redirect a large proportion of outer urban growth to the established city through a legislated urban growth boundary. However, it never resolved how to protect heritage and amenity while concentrating development in mixed-use centres.

The 2013 strategy now proposes a fraudulent limit on outer urban sprawl, a fake policy since the Liberal-National parties in 2010 helped destroy the former growth boundary by expanding it by 43,000 hectares, making irrelevant any contrived limits to growth.

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^ what a great, thought provoking article. It would be interesting to be able to see where melbourne will be in 10 years time. Im curious to see if the shoebox apartments take off in price in any meaningful way. Nothing would surprise me.
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^ what a great, thought provoking article. It would be interesting to be able to see where melbourne will be in 10 years time. Im curious to see if the shoebox apartments take off in price in any meaningful way. Nothing would surprise me.
Indeed. If people are really concerned about housing affordability, then improving public transport is a good way to do it, because it effectively creates more dwellings within easy striking distance of employment centres.

Roads not so much.
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