Nicely done subpryme. A serious goldbug has many ways to prove that what they have belongs to them, simple stat decs from a few dealers that you had purchased off would carry enough weight in court, and if he had told the police where he had bought it they would have investigated the matter and he would not even be facing court.
The police have a job to do, they investigate crime and bring criminals to justice. I know a few people here on the forum think that buying gold should be a crime but it isn't.
Why would you have to be a serious goldbug to be entitled to the presumption of innocence?
Seems to me that it is now "innocent until people think you are dodgy".
Not to say that dodginess should not be investigated, of course.
Of course things are much more ordered in China and Japan. They have 95%+ conviction rates, and it wastes a lot less time.
Why would you have to be a serious goldbug to be entitled to the presumption of innocence?
Seems to me that it is now "innocent until people think you are dodgy".
Well I think it has always been that way to a certain extent. If the police have suspicions then they are within their rights to investigate. They often recover large hoards of stolen goods simply by chancing upon someone with large hoards of stuff they are unlikely to legally own. Like an unemployed tire fitter with 25 late model motorcycles parked under his house. If he can convince the police he owns them he won't have a problem. If he clams up and says it's none of their business what he does under his house they are going to investigate further. I don't see a problem with this, if you are innocent you have nothing to fear.
Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market. What else is he wrong about?
Out of curiosity, if the police stopped me on the train and found I was carrying a large number of cans of baked beans, would I need to prove I owned them? How about books, do we throw away habeas corpus if you are found carrying a large number of books you cant prove you own? I only ask, because it would help to know the sorts of things I need to start keeping receipts to avoid being charged with possession of something I can't prove I own in the future. Strindberg is an obvious legal expert, do you have a list of items that can merit being charged with unable to prove ownership?
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it would help to know the sorts of things I need to start keeping receipts to avoid being charged with possession of something I can't prove I own in the future
anything of high monetary value like gold bullion or bags of jewels or a big bag of luxury watches, huge rolls of cash, stuff people might steal
Out of curiosity, if the police stopped me on the train and found I was carrying a large number of cans of baked beans, would I need to prove I owned them? How about books, do we throw away habeas corpus if you are found carrying a large number of books you cant prove you own? I only ask, because it would help to know the sorts of things I need to start keeping receipts to avoid being charged with possession of something I can't prove I own in the future. Strindberg is an obvious legal expert, do you have a list of items that can merit being charged with unable to prove ownership?
You're being facetious.
There's a big difference between finding silver bullion in a suspected drug dealers bag and finding baked beans or books.
Drug dealers receive all kinds of payment for their products, often things that have been obtained in home burglaries. I don't imagine there would be many instances of criminals targeting baked bean tins or books.
Human beings go mad in crowds.. and come to their senses slowly and individually..
Well I think it has always been that way to a certain extent. If the police have suspicions then they are within their rights to investigate. They often recover large hoards of stolen goods simply by chancing upon someone with large hoards of stuff they are unlikely to legally own. Like an unemployed tire fitter with 25 late model motorcycles parked under his house. If he can convince the police he owns them he won't have a problem. If he clams up and says it's none of their business what he does under his house they are going to investigate further. I don't see a problem with this, if you are innocent you have nothing to fear.
Actually I have no problem with this either. Investigate, and if they turn out to be stolen, charge him. Burden of proof lies with the prosecution and all good.
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. --Gloria Steinem AREPS™
How much baked beans are worth depends on circumstance. If people are starving, cans of baked beans would be worth more than all the gold you are carrying.
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use your common sense man
I thought the police enforced the law, not your definition of common sense. Have I had it wrong all this time?
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