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Man charged - can't prove he owns the bullion he has
Topic Started: 28 Aug 2013, 10:55 AM (3,545 Views)
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Strindberg
28 Aug 2013, 06:25 PM
Clearly not, but governments today are pushing towards eliminating tax evasion and money laundering (for whatever invented reason - drugs terrorism etc). The holding of any assets, especially large quantities of cash and gold, without a tight paper trail probably attracts suspicion and the burden of proof may be reversed unless you're happy to use some of your stash to pay for the necessary legal assistance. Cops will naturally reckon anyone with a hoard of gold is a crook, especially if it's not safely stored with a security outfit or bank and ticketed.
Indeed.

But Except for tax (and perhaps terrorism?) the burden of proof still lies with the authorities as far as I know. This guy would be well advised just to stick to his story and otherwise stay schtumm...... You can't be tried for a crime that can't be proved was even committed.
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The guy the cops picked up was most likely a crack fiend with a record. They probably have good reason to believe the silver hoard was stolen.
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Count du Monet
28 Aug 2013, 07:19 PM
The guy the cops picked up was most likely a crack fiend with a record. They probably have good reason to believe the silver hoard was stolen.
Yes, but last time I looked, it wasn't a crime to have cops believing you are a crook.
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miw
28 Aug 2013, 06:43 PM
Indeed.

But Except for tax (and perhaps terrorism?) the burden of proof still lies with the authorities as far as I know. This guy would be well advised just to stick to his story and otherwise stay schtumm...... You can't be tried for a crime that can't be proved was even committed.
Problem is that the balance point of burden of proof (beyond reasonable doubt or whatever) is actually a matter of perception for the jury (or judge or his advice) and is not simply a matter of facts.
Good expensive lawyers can affect the jury's or the judge's perception of the level of proof available.
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Strindberg
28 Aug 2013, 07:27 PM
Problem is that the balance point of burden of proof (beyond reasonable doubt or whatever) is actually a matter of perception for the jury (or judge or his advice) and is not simply a matter of facts.
Good expensive lawyers can affect the jury's or the judge's perception of the level of proof available.
Agree entirely.

Still, I bet it would be hard to get a theft conviction if the prosecution couldn't even say from whom something was stolen or prove that a crime had even been committed. That's stretching "beyond reasonable doubt" quite far I think.
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28 Aug 2013, 11:16 AM
I used ta enjoy ya stuff Strindberg - As bein' rather contrarian from my possie - 'Til I realised ya game. Am still on the piss after work - Reckon I'll stop in another day or two - Will get back ta ya some time after then with some examples of why I reckon ya an out 'n out shifty 'n fundamentally dishonest turd ... :re: (Mental notes ta self: Strindberg continuously climbing up Veritas' ribs about his 'handle'; Strindberg putting up some stats about how house prices go up as interest rates rise ... :re: )

PS: Do agree with the sentiment that bullion bugs should pay tax on their profits - Plus claim deductions on their losses - As the case might be.
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The article highlights the fragility of gold really ...quite insecure when you think about it ....
Not safe as houses..

Perhaps, some need to invest in secret home safes ..maybe do what some Greeks do bury their treasures...

Goldbugs bum must be puckering.... :o
Edited by Blondie girl, 28 Aug 2013, 08:00 PM.
Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
It's Absolutely Fabulous if it includes brilliant locations, & high calibre tenants..what more does one want? Understand the power of the two "P"" or be financially challenged
Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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Bogan scum

miw
28 Aug 2013, 06:43 PM
You can't be tried for a crime that can't be proved was even committed.
oh, i'm sure they can think of something. you pretty much can't function in society without being guilty of something.
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Pig Iron
28 Aug 2013, 11:24 AM
gold can be tracked with gold finger printing to it's point of origin.



remember the sock puppet frankrider? he crapped on and on about it.

crazy ted will be in some trouble if the ATO goes through hiim.
What if he had a goat and could not prove it was his goat.
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I don't see what the big deal is. For every ounce of GLD/SLV I have stashed away there's a corresponding entry in a Perth Mint sales invoice with my name on it stored safely on my external HDD with a backup copy tucked away with my cloud storage provider. This is not to mention the fact that the Perth Mint have a record of all my sales and the fact that I have no criminal record plus a fully documented bank transaction history.

Anyone who can't provide proof of purchase is dodgy and should be investigated inline with this article.

How good is the 60 day chart looking while we're on the topic? :to:

http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au0060lnb.html
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Nicely done subpryme. A serious goldbug has many ways to prove that what they have belongs to them, simple stat decs from a few dealers that you had purchased off would carry enough weight in court, and if he had told the police where he had bought it they would have investigated the matter and he would not even be facing court.

The police have a job to do, they investigate crime and bring criminals to justice. I know a few people here on the forum think that buying gold should be a crime but it isn't. :lol :lol
Shadow was hopelessly wrong about the Gold Bull Market.
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