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RP Data Weekly Dwelling Price Index Update August 2013; Perth joins Sydney at a new all-time record high peak
Topic Started: 2 Aug 2013, 12:21 PM (5,895 Views)
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23 Aug 2013, 01:39 PM
Update for week ending 23 August 2013

The RPData index fell 0.17% this week, with gains in Brisbane and Adelaide, and declines in Sydney, Melbourne and Perth.

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Shadow can you explain why your figures are different from those that Moops linked to (http://australianpropertyforum.com/topic/9944256/1/#new) at http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/08/weekly-rp-data-house-price-update-25/?

Some can be explained by rounding errors, but Perth has a huge difference?
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zaph
23 Aug 2013, 02:02 PM
Shadow can you explain why your figures are different from those that Moops linked to
Macrobusiness, in their frantic desperation to get their summary out before me, only run to Thursday's data.

This enables them to publish a 'weekly' report early on Friday mornings, but their report doesn't include the RPData movements for the Friday.

I wait until after 11am on the Friday (when RPData update their index) so I can cover the full week ending Friday.
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23 Aug 2013, 02:07 PM
in their frantic desperation to get their summary out
do you think it's possible they have been eating a little too much ice cream Shadow?
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21 Aug 2013, 11:20 AM
I said national prices are above their 2010 peak on the ABS index.

They are 0.9% below 2010 peak on the RPData index.
-1.1% now.

The crash is back on in earnest.
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Shadow
23 Aug 2013, 02:07 PM
Macrobusiness, in their frantic desperation to get their summary out before me, only run to Thursday's data.

This enables them to publish a 'weekly' report early on Friday mornings, but their report doesn't include the RPData movements for the Friday.

I wait until after 11am on the Friday (when RPData update their index) so I can cover the full week ending Friday.
But they have a Perth Gain from trough of 10.8 - whereas you have it as 12.2. Fridays figures were -ve for Perth - so what gives?

They also have a weekly movement of -0.44 for perth, you have -0.22 and todays fall is -0.09 for perth. This doesn't look like it adds up. Of course there could have been a positive movement last Friday that macro business are not including. But even so, I would expect both the recover from trough and the weekly movement to be in sync. What am I missing?
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23 Aug 2013, 04:57 PM
They also have a weekly movement of -0.44 for perth, you have -0.22 and todays fall is -0.09 for perth. This doesn't look like it adds up. Of course there could have been a positive movement last Friday that macro business are not including.
You would have to look at last Thursday's movements. They run from Thursday to Thursday, and I run from Friday to Friday.

As for any other differences, who knows... Macrobusiness make so many errors, it's hard to know what way they're calculating it.

It's possible they use the national index trough date as their trough, whereas I use individual index troughs for each city.
Edited by Shadow, 23 Aug 2013, 05:05 PM.
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2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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23 Aug 2013, 04:57 PM
But they have a Perth Gain from trough of 10.8 - whereas you have it as 12.2. Fridays figures were -ve for Perth - so what gives?

They also have a weekly movement of -0.44 for perth, you have -0.22 and todays fall is -0.09 for perth. This doesn't look like it adds up. Of course there could have been a positive movement last Friday that macro business are not including. But even so, I would expect both the recover from trough and the weekly movement to be in sync. What am I missing?
Its not rocket science

Download data
http://www.rpdata.com/research/back_series.html


Perth on 16th is 600.63
Perth on 23rd is 599.33

(600.63 - 599.33) / 600.63 = 0.0021643941
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Update for week ending 30 August 2013

The RPData index rose 0.11% this week, with gains in Sydney and Adelaide, and declines in Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.

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1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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30 Aug 2013, 01:54 PM
Update for week ending 30 August 2013

The RPData index rose 0.11% this week, with gains in Sydney and Adelaide, and declines in Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.
And nationally below the peak without taking inflation into account.
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30 Aug 2013, 02:00 PM
Shadow
30 Aug 2013, 01:54 PM
Update for week ending 30 August 2013

The RPData index rose 0.11% this week, with gains in Sydney and Adelaide, and declines in Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.
And nationally below the peak without taking inflation into account.
Which asset class / commodity is above its previous peak in real terms?

Gold? No
US Equities? No
Aust Equities? No
Uk Equities? No
US Bonds? No
Aus Bonds? No
US property? No
Commercial property? No
UK House prices? no
Oil? No
Silver? No
Coal? No
Ore? No
Wheat? No
Nikkei? No
Shanhai Composite? No

etc etc etc


I expect Australian housing to get there soon though.....


Edited by b_b, 30 Aug 2013, 04:06 PM.
(S – I) + (T - G) + (M - X) = 0
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