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Should I fix my home loan now?; 4.99% fixed for 3 years
Topic Started: 18 Jul 2013, 07:57 PM (5,871 Views)
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DragonGM
18 Jul 2013, 09:37 PM
I appreciate everyone's input.

Westpac are offering to take my existing variable loan (5.46%) and fix whatever amount I want at 4.99%. I realise I may be able to get a basis point or 2 lower eleswhere, but then there would the hassle of new application processes and fees. In the macro view, I am keen on fixing with my current provider.
I think that you will find Westpac following the CBA down very shortly.
Maybe that won't mean much to you if you don't have a large loan.
IMHO every little but helps.
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miw
18 Jul 2013, 08:42 PM
Similarly, just fixed a portion for 3 years at 4.83%(IO in arrears) and another portion for 5 years at 5.35% (IO in advance). It may not quite be the bottom of the cycle, although my expectation is that 5-year rates will not go down further because the long end of the yield curve is rocketing up internationally.

I don't believe that, on average, you will do better on rates by fixing, but I now have certainty about a big portion of my interest expenses for the next 3-5 years which gives me more flexibility about what to do with my other assets and liabilities. That's worth money too.
Sorry, don't mean to derail the thread. Just looked at BBSW (http://www.afma.com.au/data/bbsw.html) and it looks like either term premia is returning to credit markets, or there is a flight to safety going on. Either way, it might be a good idea to fix.
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18 Jul 2013, 10:14 PM
Sorry, don't mean to derail the thread. Just looked at BBSW (http://www.afma.com.au/data/bbsw.html) and it looks like either term premia is returning to credit markets, or there is a flight to safety going on. Either way, it might be a good idea to fix.
Yeah. I've been watching that as well. At the 5-year term, the spread between 5-year swaps and typical 5-year fixed rates seems to have contracted by about 30bp since April, suggesting to me that the next move is up for the 5-year fixed.

On the other hand it looks as if 3-year fixed might have one more leg down with a lot of providers.

But mostly I look at 10-year US treasuries. They gyrate a lot, but they are definitely on the up. That has to feed through to term funding costs.
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18 Jul 2013, 08:20 PM

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now that would be interesting chart..
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18 Jul 2013, 10:28 PM
Yeah. I've been watching that as well. At the 5-year term, the spread between 5-year swaps and typical 5-year fixed rates seems to have contracted by about 30bp since April, suggesting to me that the next move is up for the 5-year fixed.

On the other hand it looks as if 3-year fixed might have one more leg down with a lot of providers.

I was looking today at houses for sale/rent in Armidale. It has a lot going for it and it has NBN. Saw a few places that were positively geared at 90%LVR (not sure what the vacancy rate is like there though, guess it might be seasonal with UNE students vacating in October). Anyway, looked at 3Y fixed, they cheapest all seem about 170-200bps over swap. I didn't think their margins could go much lower than that but you could be right.
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But mostly I look at 10-year US treasuries. They gyrate a lot, but they are definitely on the up. That has to feed through to term funding costs.
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18 Jul 2013, 10:41 PM
I was looking today at houses for sale/rent in Armidale. It has a lot going for it and it has NBN. Saw a few places that were positively geared at 90%LVR (not sure what the vacancy rate is like there though, guess it might be seasonal with UNE students vacating in October). Anyway, looked at 3Y fixed, they cheapest all seem about 170-200bps over swap. I didn't think their margins could go much lower than that but you could be right.
Go out into the boonies and you will find a lot of places sporting very high yields. Rentals are typically tight and prices low, but people are loth to invest because the risk of having values plummet because demographics turn on you are high.

If you really want to take the risk, I like Toowoomba. It has a number of industries supporting it. Mind you, Armidale is pretty good with all that wheat, wool and education it has going for it.
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Looks like Peter was on the money, CBA now at 4.79% for one year, 4.89% for two and stable at 4.99% for three. I locked in one of my loans for 3 years last month, so not kicking myself yet :-)
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19 Jul 2013, 12:09 AM
Go out into the boonies and you will find a lot of places sporting very high yields.

Yep, pretty much been the case for as long as I can remember.
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Rentals are typically tight and prices low, but people are loth to invest because the risk of having values plummet because demographics turn on you are high.
My position is that the NBN will have demographics turn toward me, but all positions are opinions.
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If you really want to take the risk, I like Toowoomba. It has a number of industries supporting it. Mind you, Armidale is pretty good with all that wheat, wool and education it has going for it.
Whenever I hear the name Toowoomba I am reminded of a song by a band named 'The Pineapples from the Dawn of Time' called 'Toowoomba City'. Basically the lyrics go along the lines of, 'Toowoomba City, no way, Toowoomba City, never again,Toowoomba City, it's hell on earth' etc. But I digress. Checking the NBN rollout map (http://www.nbnco.com.au/when-do-i-get-it/rollout-map.html?icid=pub:hme:rollout:hro:img) it would appear that parts of Toowoomba already have fibre available, so you might be on to something there.
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Greater Building Society cuts one-year fixed-rate to 4.39%

By Larry Schlesinger
Thursday, 18 July 2013

Greater Building Society has become the second lender to offer a one-year fixed-rate of 4.39%.

The comparison rate is 5.47%.

This follows the Newcastle-based lender cutting the interest rate on its one year fixed-rate packaged home loan by 15 basis points.

The rate on its non-packaged one-year fixed rate home loan has been reduced from 4.95% to 4.59%.

The new rates kicks in from July 19.

The other lender to offer a 4.39% one-year fixed rate home loan is fellow Newcastle-based lender the Newcastle Permanent Building Society.

Read more: http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/mortgages/greater-building-society-cuts-one-year-fixed-rate-to-439
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4.39% holy fuck!!

we are on track for rates in the 3% never thought I would see the day!!
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