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The Gold Bull is DEAD. Long Live The Gold Bull.; It ain't over yet flyboy.
Topic Started: 18 Jul 2013, 12:53 AM (16,403 Views)
Shadow
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Gold is back down below where it was in early 2009.

That's nearly five wasted years for anyone holding gold over that time...

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1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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it's been pretty ordinary given the loss of opportunity gold has cost some of the recent purchasers
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Yep, it was a big night in the markets for the Goldies again alright - They successfully defended their 1280 line again - Just! (AUD Au 1361).

DJIA up 323 - The GOP relented a little on the debt ceiling thing: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/stocks-rally-on-hope-for-budget-progress-2013-10-10

A Professional Demographer to an amateur demographer: "negative natural increase will never outweigh the positive net migration"
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herbie
11 Oct 2013, 07:46 AM
Yep, it was a big night in the markets for the Goldies again alright - They successfully defended their 1280 line again - Just! (AUD Au 1361).

DJIA up 323 - The GOP relented a little on the debt ceiling thing: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/stocks-rally-on-hope-for-budget-progress-2013-10-10

currently $1286 USD so the defence is a bit thin.
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peter fraser
11 Oct 2013, 08:20 AM
currently $1286 USD so the defence is a bit thin.
Rock solid at the line Peter - Rock solid at the line! But yep, IF the line cracks, things could get REALLY interesting ... :D
A Professional Demographer to an amateur demographer: "negative natural increase will never outweigh the positive net migration"
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herbie
11 Oct 2013, 08:29 AM
Rock solid at the line Peter - Rock solid at the line! But yep, IF the line cracks, things could get REALLY interesting ... :D
The support lines are calculated by chartists.

My question is:-

Are the support lines real or are they there because chartists have enough of their own religious zealot followers to create a critical mass that support their forecasts.
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peter fraser
11 Oct 2013, 08:53 AM
Are the support lines real or are they there because chartists have enough of their own religious zealot followers to create a critical mass that support their forecasts.
Chartist certainly talk a load of crap. All those charts covered in lines, triangles, flags, supports, resistances and strangly named formations mean absolutely nothing. This is just another profession that's likes to pretend that they can tell the future but can't. The very best that can be said is that, as you say, sometimes enough religious zealot followers can create a critical mass to support their forecast. Professional traders love these set ups, they get you to believe one thing then take the market in the opposite direction. I'm always amazed by the vast number of gullible people that believe any rubbish that's put in front of them.
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11 Oct 2013, 09:32 AM
Chartist certainly talk a load of crap. All those charts covered in lines, triangles, flags, supports, resistances and strangly named formations mean absolutely nothing. This is just another profession that's likes to pretend that they can tell the future but can't. The very best that can be said is that, as you say, sometimes enough religious zealot followers can create a critical mass to support their forecast. Professional traders love these set ups, they get you to believe one thing then take the market in the opposite direction. I'm always amazed by the vast number of gullible people that believe any rubbish that's put in front of them.
Correct - unless you are just happy to be gambling with volatility, chartistism is an absolute meaningless waste of time. As an investment philosophy I'd put it even with horse racing or sports betting (unless you have inside information on horses or sports teams in which case those are better investment strategies than following stock charts).
“You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means” - Inigo Montoya
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11 Oct 2013, 09:32 AM
Chartist certainly talk a load of crap. All those charts covered in lines, triangles, flags, supports, resistances and strangly named formations mean absolutely nothing. This is just another profession that's likes to pretend that they can tell the future but can't. The very best that can be said is that, as you say, sometimes enough religious zealot followers can create a critical mass to support their forecast. Professional traders love these set ups, they get you to believe one thing then take the market in the opposite direction. I'm always amazed by the vast number of gullible people that believe any rubbish that's put in front of them.
I can see why traders would love them. The support lines will hold for a while as the believers hold them, but traders will know that when they blow they will really blow.

At which point the chartists can say "I told you so"

It's much better than Christianity where they have silly rules like no adultery or telling lies.

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peter fraser
11 Oct 2013, 09:47 AM
Wisebear
11 Oct 2013, 09:32 AM
Chartist certainly talk a load of crap. All those charts covered in lines, triangles, flags, supports, resistances and strangly named formations mean absolutely nothing. This is just another profession that's likes to pretend that they can tell the future but can't. The very best that can be said is that, as you say, sometimes enough religious zealot followers can create a critical mass to support their forecast. Professional traders love these set ups, they get you to believe one thing then take the market in the opposite direction. I'm always amazed by the vast number of gullible people that believe any rubbish that's put in front of them.
I can see why traders would love them. The support lines will hold for a while as the believers hold them, but traders will know that when they blow they will really blow.

At which point the chartists can say "I told you so"

It's much better than Christianity where they have silly rules like no adultery or telling lies.

Agreed.

Professional taders also love stop/loss. Can you believe that they actually sell you a product that involves you committing to a trade in advance at a price lower than the market? Unbelieveable. I once saw details of someone who put in a large stop/loss substatially below the market price on a thinly traded stock. The market makers then just sold all the way down to the stop loss then bought back cheaply when it triggered. The stock finished the day unchanged but someone got fleeced.
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