Yeah, thanks But my point still remains that 25mbps can potentially pull a 1 gb movie file down the pipe in 40 seconds? or have I got that completely wrong
25Mbps download speed is actually probably enough for a while, assuming you can get more than 1 service per premise. (Many households have multiple consumers.)
What has been completely ignored in the discussion until very recently (It seems that Conroy in desperation asked the advice of someone who knew something) is the uplink speed. There are a whole slew of applications that would be enabled by being able to get 20Mbps uplink speed, which you will never get under the FTTN plan but is technically possible day 1 with the GPON solution for FTTH originally proposed.
Turnbull is proposing to pay $29B for something that Telstra would have done anyway as part of its normal plans. Conroy is proposing to pay $40-$50B for something which brings functionality forward by many years.
When you consider the investment has real yield and has benefits that would be distributed across 20-50 years I don't think it is expensive.
The other big consideration is that GPON is completely passive between the premises and the exchange. The FTTN proposed by Turnbull has active street furniture between the premises and the exchange, and it has no battery backup. In other words if there is a power outage, everyone loses telecommunication services. This is not something that is considered acceptable by anyone, anywhere.
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Tough decisions. Vote Abbott and nail some lefties to the wall and satisfy some blood lust, sack some public servants and put downward pressure on house prices, or NBN.
You can get 40mbps upload for much the same prices as cable. You could probably start a pretty cool business with that, but probably not enough to start ebay or something.
I wonder is 40mbps the limit? Or can one get business plans that have better upload?
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With the NBN 100mbps plan you get 40mbps upload as well which is REALLY nice.
You have much better internet than I can get however
We are 4km from the exchange and can only manage 2mbps and when it rains we get disconnected.
The biggest benefit for us would be not relying on telstras garbage old copper anymore.
I'm on Telstra cable and get 115mbps download and 2.4mbps upload. When I renovated I cat6 cabled the house so get 115mbps at the fixed points and the wifi router that is built into Telstra's cable modem can achieve around 80mbps across the wifi.
I initially had some trouble that if you were 'busy' on the internet it would pixelate the HD channels on Foxtel (same cable) but they seem to have fixed that now with some upgraded equipment in the pits up the street.
I wouldn't go back to 25mbps now. We have a lot of connected devices around the house and it's good that they can be in use at once with no noticeable slowdown and you can run updates in seconds rather than tens of minutes (which is surprisingly time saving when you have a couple of computers and a number of iDevices).
Be good if the upload was better although I don't use torrents (much) so mostly I'm just downloading.
I'm all for Labor's NBN. The other dude's plan doesn't aim high enough.
Frank - you should pay the $10/month or whatever to upgrade to the top cable product (if they offer it in your area), it is worth it.
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I'm all for Labor's NBN. The other dude's plan doesn't aim high enough.
Frank - you should pay the $10/month or whatever to upgrade to the top cable product (if they offer it in your area), it is worth it.
You sound like a typical family of reasonably heavy net users and proof that the ALP broadband plan is far more appropriate than the libs. You will probably want even faster speeds when 4d (? whatever is better than HD TV that is coming) tv becomes popular.
Sounds like Frank is like me, doesn't need much faster than 5 mbps, with only one or two users. I'm certainly not going to pay for something I don't need. I'm sure we'll eventually need it when we start using HD porn files.
You sound like a typical family of reasonably heavy net users and proof that the ALP broadband plan is far more appropriate than the libs. You will probably want even faster speeds when 4d (? whatever is better than HD TV that is coming) tv becomes popular.
Sounds like Frank is like me, doesn't need much faster than 5 mbps, with only one or two users. I'm certainly not going to pay for something I don't need. I'm sure we'll eventually need it when we start using HD porn files.
Thanks
Also, I could have mentioned that I have my own business and do a bit of work from home. I use cloud solutions for accessing necessary business information when I'm home and do appreciate the reliability and speed of the home connection when I have to work from there - it pretty much means it's a seemless process for me to work from home.
zaph
16 May 2013, 12:09 PM
You sound like a typical family of reasonably heavy net users and proof that the ALP broadband plan is far more appropriate than the libs. You will probably want even faster speeds when 4d (? whatever is better than HD TV that is coming) tv becomes popular.
Sounds like Frank is like me, doesn't need much faster than 5 mbps, with only one or two users. I'm certainly not going to pay for something I don't need. I'm sure we'll eventually need it when we start using HD porn files.
PS I recently downloaded a short 4k video to see what it would look like on my Retina MacBookPro and it was truly amazing. It's a Japanese video of a sushi chef cutting some fish with some fancy knifes and it's so clear it kind of looks 3D like you could pick the items off the screen. If feature movies move to this the file sizes will be very large.
What’s wrong with NBN Just my opinion of course but you asked so: 1) They should have selected EPON or GEPON rather than GPON, I know most people don’t understand the differences but GPON was basically the European standard (read Alcatel). GEPON ONT and OLT’s are much cheaper. 2) Alcatel/Lucent equipment was selected in place of ZTE and Huawei. Anybody paying attention to the telecommunications space can tell you which of these companies is growing and which is shrinking. For a brand new system we should plan for the future not the past. 3) There was an opportunity with NBN to build closer communications links to China. Instead we shunned our most important trading CUSTOMER, so that we could support our European past. Believe me this snub did not go unnoticed. What a lost opportunity! 4) NBN is focused on insanely high data throughput rather than low cost and ubiquitous connectivity. In Australia we still have large regions of the country that lack good reliable Internet connectivity achieving this connectivity should have been the first priority. 5) Making data transfer dirt cheap is much more important than increasing raw data throughput. Our first order of business should have been to increase the US / Japan data cable Bandwidths so that Australia could forever loose the concept that data transfer is a scarce commodity. We need to get rid of the 40Gbyte and 100Gbyte per month data limits. Open up the data pipes and let internet commerce really happen. A 100Gbyte limit takes less than ONE second to down load on a real 1Gbps link. There are lots of other things I dislike about NBN, I think RF/wireless data connectivity is more important than wired/fiber throughput. I think Australia should have investigated higher throughput “best effort” systems like FSO (free space optics). When connectivity is guaranteed FSO can provide high data rates most of the time.
Now I'm clearly technically challenged, because I really don't understand much about the first two points.
Can anyone give me an english translation?
PS China Bob - I hope that you're ok with me referencing your post, but I would like to know what it all means.
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Now I'm clearly technically challenged, because I really don't understand much about the first two points.
Can anyone give me an english translation?
PS China Bob - I hope that you're ok with me referencing your post, but I would like to know what it all means.
GEPON and GPON are both passive optical distribution networks. Essentially they allow multiple premises to share one fibre pair. The whole fibre carries a 1Gbps signal, but it is shared among consumers by having passive fibre taps. I haven't gone into the details of which is better than the other, and most likely the actual difference is as much marketing as reality.
Point 2 is pointing out that Quigley gave the business to his mates at Alcatel-Lucent which is a dead duck that probably won't exist in 10 years' time. That company is dying. ZTE and Huawei were ruled out on national security grounds. Given that nobody really knows even who owns these companies and that Huawei is ex-military, I can kind of understand that concern.
For the rest of the points, I can see what China Bob is driving at, but I would say they are a separate problem. The NBN is all about getting the last mile fixed up for fixed connection in as much of the country as possible. The fixed wireless and satellite that will be installed (under both proposals) for the rest of the country is not as good, but it's lightyears ahead of what they have got.
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Now I'm clearly technically challenged, because I really don't understand much about the first two points.
Can anyone give me an english translation?
PS China Bob - I hope that you're ok with me referencing your post, but I would like to know what it all means.
GEPON and GPON are both passive optical distribution networks. Essentially they allow multiple premises to share one fibre pair. The whole fibre carries a 1Gbps signal, but it is shared among consumers by having passive fibre taps. I haven't gone into the details of which is better than the other, and most likely the actual difference is as much marketing as reality.
Point 2 is pointing out that Quigley gave the business to his mates at Alcatel-Lucent which is a dead duck that probably won't exist in 10 years' time. That company is dying. ZTE and Huawei were ruled out on national security grounds. Given that nobody really knows even who owns these companies and that Huawei is ex-military, I can kind of understand that concern.
For the rest of the points, I can see what China Bob is driving at, but I would say they are a separate problem. The NBN is all about getting the last mile fixed up for fixed connection in as much of the country as possible. The fixed wireless and satellite that will be installed (under both proposals) for the rest of the country is not as good, but it's lightyears ahead of what they have got.
Thanks for that explanation - so we messed up selecting Alcatel-Lucent but we didn't have many options.
I understand that wireless has a saturation issue, but I run both a wireless modem and cable internet connections, and I'm surprised at just how fast the wireless is. Most operators in rural areas will be quite happy to get a good wireless connection. For a large user it might pose problems though.
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i know just think of all the porn you could rub your little wiener to at those speeds!
And your iq might go up a point, to about 65.
stinkbug omosessuale Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments. Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck! See here Property will be 50-70% off by 2016.
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