Find a place that a single person can rent at an affordable level in the Perth metro area for $202 per week or less.
Why $ 202? That is 1/3 of the minumum wage and a commonly accepted definition of affordability is if you are paying more than 30% of your income and you are in the bottom 40% of earners you are deemed to be in housing stress.
Now, I did a quick search and all i could find was student accomadation (shared) and straight up shared accomadation.
I have yet to find any self contained dwelling that can be rented for 202 per week in the Perth metro.
You can sing for single person accommodation in Perth at that price. You could share a room in a hostel for 200 a week and that is about it. But why would you do this if you can buy your own place for not much more than this?
Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993 The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
Why should a single person on minimum wage feel entitled to better than shared accommodation?
Why not ask the millions of Chinese who want better living conditions that the better off Chinese are worried about even if means the economy is stimulated excessively?
It is very easy to say these kinds of things when you have your parents farm you can go back to and an education and background that means you are unlikely to be in a lowly situation for any length of time.
I would guess if you had nowhere else to go and no future prospects and where now on minimum wage and were not as evidently able to get work as you appear to be able to, it would be quite depressing........particularly as you get older and more or less only death awaits you.
One person gets born into opportunity and another has only hope for opportunity. Supposedly we have one society, we know however that we do not.
In a manner of speaking we have a group of pigs at the top and the rest at the bottom being fed scraps. Supposedly it has to be like that or we we would all be pigs, however each one of relies on the fellow below us to know his place and keep it. That only works so far.
You assume that all people on the minimum wage ( or low waged) are young graduates. They arent.
I am making no such assumption. I was pointing out that even people on more than the minimum wage expect to share when they are single. It has always been thus.
For reference, at the time, in the suburb where I was living, the minimum wage was a little over $200/week and a 1-bedroom flat rented for $100-$120 a week. Now the minimum wage is $600/week and 1-bedders are to be had in that suburb for $295-$320/wk.
Nothing has changed except the general sense of entitlement.
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. --Gloria Steinem AREPS™
Nothing has changed except the general sense of entitlement.
But it is a generalised sense of entitlement.
I knew and expected that housing would be bailed out to my advantage. I was though expecting people at the top who must have known it would all end in tears to lose jobs and money.
Well, when did you stop living in shared accomadation? And why?
Shared accomadation works well for young people just starting out but what about single people who are much older or pensioners?
Its not that crash hot then is it?
I stopped living in shared accommodation when I had saved up enough to buy my own place.
I guess if I had spent all my money and never saved while I was young I'd be looking down the barrel of shared accommodation as a pensioner. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who reap what they sow.
We have a certain economic system. It produces income inequality.
The guy who cleans your office after you leave needs somewhere to live too.
Its how you respond to that trusim is what is at issue here.
And you do know that you are making the assumption that everyone can "prepare for their retirement". How do you think the 47 million Americans who are on food stamps are doing in terms of preparing for their retirement.
No offence, but you need to stop looking at this problem from the blinkered perspective of a member of the petit burgeoise.
Every single economic system that has ever been tried has produced inequality, and probably no more so that the marxist system.
Equality means equality of opportunity, not equal material possessions.
I read your posts, you seem like a bright guy, but no one will carry the can for you. I've hand cut sugar cane at Innisfail, driven trucks, started work at midnight on 14 hour shifts, anything I had to do to get through, but I've not done anything extraordinary. Others have worked far harder and made greater sacrifices.
If I had $600 per week in my hand and had to pay 50% out in repayments, somehow I would make do - take in a boarder, take on a second job, whatever was required.
We have a certain economic system. It produces income inequality.
The guy who cleans your office after you leave needs somewhere to live too.
Its how you respond to that trusim is what is at issue here.
In Australia we have a system that still gives people some incentive to get off their arse and do something -- just.
The guy who cleaned my office when I was a young engineer was earning more than I was by the time he drew the shift allowance and overtime pay to which I wasn't entitled. He certainly had somewhere to live, and he never missed a meal that he wanted.
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And you do know that you are making the assumption that everyone can "prepare for their retirement". How do you think the 47 million Americans who are on food stamps are doing in terms of preparing for their retirement.
Not a single one of them lives in Australia, so this is a complete irrelevancy.
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No offence, but you need to stop looking at this problem from the blinkered perspective of a member of the petit burgeoise.
No. I am looking at it from the realistic perspective of someone who grew up in a house where 4 kids slept in the living room and who finds the whole concept that being forced to share a kitchen and bathroom with someone else is degrading to be evidence of a vaguely offensive sense of entitlement.
The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. --Gloria Steinem AREPS™
I am looking at it from the realistic perspective of someone who grew up in a house where 4 kids slept in the living room and who finds the whole concept that being forced to share a kitchen and bathroom with someone else is degrading to be evidence of a vaguely offensive sense of entitlement.
My daughter demanded to be fed and kept dry and demands juice at night and biscuits icecream and chocolate by day.
And i tell you what, I do not smack her desire down with no. I welcome that she wants, even as i find reasons that more chocolate might not be a good idea today. She has drive and i hope she keeps it.
It seems normal to feel entitled?
How can it be offensive to want and need and desire?
How can it be wrong to be depressed that we would be living in a house share after our wife has died and that is the only place we have to go? Surely we would feel that we deserve better than that?
I often think that if i lost everything i now have that at 57 it would be hard to stay alive at all. From somewhere i would have to get the drive and energy to feel I deserved something better - all over again one more time.
Or as I posted earlier in this thread: Do you think its okay for one guy to leave two investment properties vacant because he cant be bothered renting them out while single mothers with two kids sleep in their cars?
I dont.
Define "okay". I don't like it and I will never do it but its not illegal for him to do so nor can we force him to do otherwise.
Likewise for all the people who through perfectly good food away in developed countries because they don't want to keep leftovers while millions around the world starve. Or how I use clean drinking water to water my plants and wash my car while others die from lack of clean drinking water.
None of it should exist in an ideal world ... but we don't live in an ideal world.
Alternatively, you said a person should be entitled to their own home and not have to share accommodation. What do you think about the person who has spare bedrooms (possibly yourself) and have chosen not to rent them out whilst the same single mother sleeps with 2 kids in the car?
This post was just to point out we all have a different definition of "fair" and we all tend to think of richer people who are "unfair" to us much more than we think of the poorer people we are being "unfair" to.
Feeling entitled is fine, I believe we are all entitled to oppourtunity.
I have run and owned 6 seperate business in the last 20 years, 4 have been sold and are still going concerns. I even vendor financed a business to one of my staff who the bank knocked back he has not looked back, he now owns the business and the property.
I am a fairly unremarkable person, but I have managed to succeed, by sheer hard work and determination. I have started a business with $700 capital, and generated more than a decent wage plus all the tax deductable perks. I have at times in my life worked 16hr days 7 days a week. I am not saying it is easy to do, but it is possible if you have the drive and determination.
I have never believed I am entitled to any more than I am willing to work for.
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