Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]


Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 4
The pieces are in place for another humongous, economy-crushing USA housing bubble; Fed, Obama, and big banks, replicate same conditions that existed prior to the last bubble
Topic Started: 12 Jan 2013, 11:38 PM (4,693 Views)
Joseph
Default APF Avatar


themoops
13 Jan 2013, 03:54 PM
Most Americans get paid half what they do here. So at best US property is where it should be. The Breaking Bad guy was only on about $40k as a chemistry teacher, he'd be on about $90-100k here. It doesn't make those $300-$500k McMansions in the US look so good.

It's an entirely valid prediction that US property will crash again.
well if it was on breaking bad......
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
themoops
Member Avatar
Ruby Member
Thatguy
13 Jan 2013, 04:47 PM
If chemistry teachers got $90-100k then I'd be one.
They do, pretty much. But it takes about 10 years to get there going from what I've been told.

http://sydney.edu.au/education_social_work/future_students/careers/teacher_salaries.shtml

Highest salary-scale classification of classroom teacher – Salary Step 13
$84,759
Subject head teacher in a secondary school
$97,543

Fool.

I'd seriously consider doing it too if I had my time again. Looks like a piece of piss compared to real work. Plus lots of holidays. Plus awesome job security.

But then I might become one of those annoying people who constantly talks down to everyone. Although few of the teachers were like that at my school actually, but I knew a couple of guys who were going to become teachers, and they needed punches to the head.


Joseph
13 Jan 2013, 05:27 PM
well if it was on breaking bad......
Why? Why be a moron?

http://www.educationworld.net/salaries_us.html

Quote:
 

South Dakota had the lowest average salary in 2002-03, at $32,414. The other states in the bottom tier were Montana, at $35,754; Mississippi, at $35,135; North Dakota, at $33,869; and Oklahoma, at $33,277. Also in the lowest tier were the Virgin Islands, at $34,764; Guam at $34,738; and Puerto Rico, at $22,164.


That was about 10 years ago, but I don't think salaries haven't changed much since then.

Google it bitch. Instead of just putting me down. Fucktard.
Edited by themoops, 13 Jan 2013, 05:32 PM.
stinkbug omosessuale


Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
See here
Property will be 50-70% off by 2016.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
Andrew Judd
Default APF Avatar


What actually is Whitney getting all hot and bothered about? He appears to be saying:

1. If the bank issues a proper qualifying mortgage you cannot sue the bank and

2. If the bank issues an improper qualifying mortgage you can sue the bank

What is the problem??

Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
frankrider
Member Avatar


themoops
13 Jan 2013, 09:55 AM
Without you mean. They'd probably be where they should be. 40-60% cheaper.
yes I fixed it. The idiots here that can't see the train bearing down on them are no different to those in the US in 2006. Just a little pullback, all ahead full from here. They cling to the idea that debt is good and see these big CB printings as "real good!" They fail to see that it is indeed a ponzi scheme that hits the wall when incomes can no longer service interest payments. The US borrows trillions each year now and a big chunk of that goes straight back to pay the interest on proir loans.

In 2011 The Us spent US $227 billion on Debt Servicing. http://wp.interdasglobal.com/federal-budget-analysis/
I sure am glad I have a little gold coin collection, it will be the only thing left of my retirement savings before this stupidity is over.

Negative gearing is a form of leveraged speculation in which a speculator borrows money to buy an asset, but the income generated by that asset does not cover the interest on the loan

A negative gearing strategy can only make a profit if the asset rises so much in price that the capital gain is more than the sum of the ongoing losses over the life of the speculation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_gearing
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
skamy
Member Avatar


nipa hut
13 Jan 2013, 03:05 PM
Evidence, Skamy?
:lol :lol :lol
I believe you have no interest in contributing to a discussion with an open mind, you still have not provided your link for Katowice and your population data.
I will do research for other people but not for those that are closed minded. You have bought into the bubblehead nonsense and IMHO nothing can persuade you to look at evidence to the contrary.
Edited by skamy, 14 Jan 2013, 12:54 AM.
Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993
The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
skamy
Member Avatar


Ex BP Golly
13 Jan 2013, 03:59 PM
Surely in a free market, prices are where they should be Skammy- except for all the tinkering and stimulus?

I know it's very difficult for the brainwashed, who believe that home ownership equates to guaranteed wealth accumulation, but why shouldnt houses be cheap?

Maybe then people could afford to spend appropriate amounts of money for quality food, rather than the shiite they presently consume!

They could even affairs to invest in productive business, shares etc.
We do not live in a free market here in Australia, we have very little media diversity and we live with monopolies for petrol, food mobile phone plans, pay TV etc etc. The housing market should be supply and demand but it is not it is influenced by sentiment and sentiment is controlled by our lovely unbiased Murdoch media. Who have been rolling out the doomsayers like Keen,who refuses to provide their data for peer scrutiny, and those demographia developer guys spruiking for urban sprawl into bushland and farmland. It is amazing how many ordinary folk honestly believe our houses are overpriced due to this media bombardment.

Who benefits when house get sold out from under people at below market value eg those $7000 homes in Detroit? In the US at the moment you can buy a much better house than you can rent for the same monthly outgoings.
I am not the one who is brainwashed BP -some folk on here just cannot move away from the paradigm that they have bought into for the last few years that Australian house prices are going to drop. More worryingly, the same folk believe that this is good for middle Australia, unbelievable.

Prices will boom in the US that is assured, because that is what always happens after a crash, it may happen quickly or it may happen in a year or two, but houses with increase in price there that is assured. People act like lemmings unfortunately and once they fear house prices rising a boom is assured. It wont be long before there is a new generation of speculators making a packet for themselves, and the banks and real estate agent etc etc, outta pushing up house prices and as the OP shows the US has no intention of trying to put a kibosh on this type of behaviour. Neither boom nor bust is desirable, IMHO.

Australians save more than most and it gets invested in a supposedly useful stock market etc where we got ripped of at every deal by bankers manipulating libor rates to disadvantage super funds and taxpayer funded projects etc. My investment over my lifetime in property has done very well, my super and pension savings are rubbish in comparison and I have got 30yrs worth of forced stock market investment and I am forced to pay for someone to throw away my savings. No-one forces me to buy property.

Anyhow, since when has investing in a productive business been a good way to make money - if you wanna get a good return you have to go with the likes of the CBA and that IMHO is not a very productive business. :re:

There is more sugar in Australian produce than anywhere in Europe, it is so hard to find even a yoghurt without sugar added :( we have a nation of sugar addicts arggghhh and have you seen the fight the food producers put up against sugar labeling (shakes head)
Definition of a doom and gloomer from 1993
The last camp is made up of the doom-and-gloomers. Their slogan is "it's the end of the world as we know it". Right now they are convinced that debt is the evil responsible for all our economic woes and must be eliminated at all cost. Many doom-and-gloomers believe that unprecedented debt levels mean that we are on the precipice of a worse crisis than the Great Depression. The doom-and-gloomers hang on the latest series of negative economic data.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
Joseph
Default APF Avatar


themoops
13 Jan 2013, 05:29 PM
They do, pretty much. But it takes about 10 years to get there going from what I've been told.

http://sydney.edu.au/education_social_work/future_students/careers/teacher_salaries.shtml

Highest salary-scale classification of classroom teacher – Salary Step 13
$84,759
Subject head teacher in a secondary school
$97,543

Fool.

I'd seriously consider doing it too if I had my time again. Looks like a piece of piss compared to real work. Plus lots of holidays. Plus awesome job security.

But then I might become one of those annoying people who constantly talks down to everyone. Although few of the teachers were like that at my school actually, but I knew a couple of guys who were going to become teachers, and they needed punches to the head.



Why? Why be a moron?

http://www.educationworld.net/salaries_us.html




That was about 10 years ago, but I don't think salaries haven't changed much since then.

Google it bitch. Instead of just putting me down. Fucktard.
the us figure is average and the aus figure you quoted is maximum. you really are a monkey with a keyboard.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
Thatguy
Member Avatar


themoops
13 Jan 2013, 05:29 PM
They do, pretty much. But it takes about 10 years to get there going from what I've been told.

http://sydney.edu.au/education_social_work/future_students/careers/teacher_salaries.shtml

Highest salary-scale classification of classroom teacher – Salary Step 13
$84,759
Subject head teacher in a secondary school
$97,543

Fool.

I'd seriously consider doing it too if I had my time again. Looks like a piece of piss compared to real work. Plus lots of holidays. Plus awesome job security.

But then I might become one of those annoying people who constantly talks down to everyone. Although few of the teachers were like that at my school actually, but I knew a couple of guys who were going to become teachers, and they needed punches to the head.



Why? Why be a moron?

http://www.educationworld.net/salaries_us.html




That was about 10 years ago, but I don't think salaries haven't changed much since then.

Google it bitch. Instead of just putting me down. Fucktard.
I don't need my time again. I could easily become a chemistry teacher. Ironically if I lived in the USA I would seriously consider it. But not in Australia.

"In a survey of high school teaching jobs at Jobs-Salary.com, chemistry teachers averaged more than most other specialties (science and math disciplines are the highest-paying subjects). Posted salaries in ads for chemistry teachers ranged from $58,000 in Virginia's Sussex County to $81,000 in the Baltimore City Public School System.

Read more: The Salary of a High School Chemistry Teacher | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_7949963_salary-high-school-chemistry-teacher.html#ixzz2Hu18hRcz"

Highest salary in QLD = $83,308 (Level 4 experienced), after that it's HOP (Heads of program, which is extra work for extra pay). My sister has been at Level 4 experienced for quite a few years but doesn't think the extra pay for HOP is worth it. We've talked about this many times.


Now let's say you get paid $75,000 as a teacher in Baltimore (below average). A fairly nice house would cost $300,000 (20% over median, so comfortably over the median house price for Baltimore). Your ratio would be 4:1.

In Brisbane an equivalent house would be $550,000 (10% above median) and you were a top paid teacher on $84,000. Your ratio would be 6.5:1. (The equivalent capital stretch would be $336,000, but then repayment would be more as interest rates are higher!)

Therefore I'd rather be a chemistry teacher in Baltimore. I think I'd buy myself a 2009 GTR, give it an exhaust and flash tune with my new found increase in purchasing power parity.

And that ends the lesson. Moops, please see me after class. I think you need private tutoring on this concept. P.S. I like the bit where you called me a "Fool"
Edited by Thatguy, 14 Jan 2013, 11:07 AM.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
themoops
Member Avatar
Ruby Member
Thatguy
14 Jan 2013, 11:05 AM
I don't need my time again. I could easily become a chemistry teacher. Ironically if I lived in the USA I would seriously consider it. But not in Australia.

"In a survey of high school teaching jobs at Jobs-Salary.com, chemistry teachers averaged more than most other specialties (science and math disciplines are the highest-paying subjects). Posted salaries in ads for chemistry teachers ranged from $58,000 in Virginia's Sussex County to $81,000 in the Baltimore City Public School System.

Read more: The Salary of a High School Chemistry Teacher | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_7949963_salary-high-school-chemistry-teacher.html#ixzz2Hu18hRcz"

Highest salary in QLD = $83,308 (Level 4 experienced), after that it's HOP (Heads of program, which is extra work for extra pay). My sister has been at Level 4 experienced for quite a few years but doesn't think the extra pay for HOP is worth it. We've talked about this many times.


Now let's say you get paid $75,000 as a teacher in Baltimore (below average). A fairly nice house would cost $300,000 (20% over median, so comfortably over the median house price for Baltimore). Your ratio would be 4:1.

In Brisbane an equivalent house would be $550,000 (10% above median) and you were a top paid teacher on $84,000. Your ratio would be 6.5:1. (The equivalent capital stretch would be $336,000, but then repayment would be more as interest rates are higher!)

Therefore I'd rather be a chemistry teacher in Baltimore. I think I'd buy myself a 2009 GTR, give it an exhaust and flash tune with my new found increase in purchasing power parity.

And that ends the lesson. Moops, please see me after class. I think you need private tutoring on this concept. P.S. I like the bit where you called me a "Fool"
Woopy do dah. I could easily teach computers and maths but you need to go back to uni to get a piece of paper.

That's one state. Fool. $58k is weak for a chemistry teacher and I'd say much more reflective of the average.
stinkbug omosessuale


Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
Frank finally and unintentionally gives it up and admits he got where he is, primarily via dumb luck!
See here
Property will be 50-70% off by 2016.
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
barns
Member Avatar


Thatguy
14 Jan 2013, 11:05 AM
I don't need my time again. I could easily become a chemistry teacher. Ironically if I lived in the USA I would seriously consider it. But not in Australia.

"In a survey of high school teaching jobs at Jobs-Salary.com, chemistry teachers averaged more than most other specialties (science and math disciplines are the highest-paying subjects). Posted salaries in ads for chemistry teachers ranged from $58,000 in Virginia's Sussex County to $81,000 in the Baltimore City Public School System.

Read more: The Salary of a High School Chemistry Teacher | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_7949963_salary-high-school-chemistry-teacher.html#ixzz2Hu18hRcz"

Highest salary in QLD = $83,308 (Level 4 experienced), after that it's HOP (Heads of program, which is extra work for extra pay). My sister has been at Level 4 experienced for quite a few years but doesn't think the extra pay for HOP is worth it. We've talked about this many times.


Now let's say you get paid $75,000 as a teacher in Baltimore (below average). A fairly nice house would cost $300,000 (20% over median, so comfortably over the median house price for Baltimore). Your ratio would be 4:1.

In Brisbane an equivalent house would be $550,000 (10% above median) and you were a top paid teacher on $84,000. Your ratio would be 6.5:1. (The equivalent capital stretch would be $336,000, but then repayment would be more as interest rates are higher!)

Therefore I'd rather be a chemistry teacher in Baltimore. I think I'd buy myself a 2009 GTR, give it an exhaust and flash tune with my new found increase in purchasing power parity.

And that ends the lesson. Moops, please see me after class. I think you need private tutoring on this concept. P.S. I like the bit where you called me a "Fool"
In Sydney, private school teachers with some (but I'm not talking decades) experience earn 6 figures. If you were a chemistry teacher here (not necessarily head of department etc) at a good school you would be earning 6 figures within a couple of years (and have 10+ weeks leave per year).

Of course, these are the harder jobs to get though.
“You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means” - Inigo Montoya
Profile "REPLY WITH QUOTE" Go to top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Australian Property Forum · Next Topic »
Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 4



Australian Property Forum is an economics and finance forum dedicated to discussion of Australian and global real estate markets and macroeconomics, including house prices, housing affordability, and the likelihood of a property crash. Is there an Australian housing bubble? Will house prices crash, boom or stagnate? Is the Australian property market a pyramid scheme or Ponzi scheme? Can house prices really rise forever? These are the questions we address on Australian Property Forum, the premier real estate site for property bears, bulls, investors, and speculators. Members may also discuss matters related to finance, modern monetary theory (MMT), debt deflation, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin Ethereum and Ripple, property investing, landlords, tenants, debt consolidation, reverse home equity loans, the housing shortage, negative gearing, capital gains tax, land tax and macro prudential regulation.

Forum Rules: The main forum may be used to discuss property, politics, economics and finance, precious metals, crypto currency, debt management, generational divides, climate change, sustainability, alternative energy, environmental topics, human rights or social justice issues, and other topics on a case by case basis. Topics unsuitable for the main forum may be discussed in the lounge. You agree you won't use this forum to post material that is illegal, private, defamatory, pornographic, excessively abusive or profane, threatening, or invasive of another forum member's privacy. Don't post NSFW content. Racist or ethnic slurs and homophobic comments aren't tolerated. Accusing forum members of serious crimes is not permitted. Accusations, attacks, abuse or threats, litigious or otherwise, directed against the forum or forum administrators aren't tolerated and will result in immediate suspension of your account for a number of days depending on the severity of the attack. No spamming or advertising in the main forum. Spamming includes repeating the same message over and over again within a short period of time. Don't post ALL CAPS thread titles. The Advertising and Promotion Subforum may be used to promote your Australian property related business or service. Active members of the forum who contribute regularly to main forum discussions may also include a link to their product or service in their signature block. Members are limited to one actively posting account each. A secondary account may be used solely for the purpose of maintaining a blog as long as that account no longer posts in threads. Any member who believes another member has violated these rules may report the offending post using the report button.

Australian Property Forum complies with ASIC Regulatory Guide 162 regarding Internet Discussion Sites. Australian Property Forum is not a provider of financial advice. Australian Property Forum does not in any way endorse the views and opinions of its members, nor does it vouch for for the accuracy or authenticity of their posts. It is not permitted for any Australian Property Forum member to post in the role of a licensed financial advisor or to post as the representative of a financial advisor. It is not permitted for Australian Property Forum members to ask for or offer specific buy, sell or hold recommendations on particular stocks, as a response to a request of this nature may be considered the provision of financial advice.

Views expressed on this forum are not representative of the forum owners. The forum owners are not liable or responsible for comments posted. Information posted does not constitute financial or legal advice. The forum owners accept no liability for information posted, nor for consequences of actions taken on the basis of that information. By visiting or using this forum, members and guests agree to be bound by the Zetaboards Terms of Use.

This site may contain copyright material (i.e. attributed snippets from online news reports), the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such content is posted to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democratic, scientific, and social justice issues. This constitutes 'fair use' of such copyright material as provided for in section 107 of US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed for research and educational purposes only. If you wish to use this material for purposes that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Such material is credited to the true owner or licensee. We will remove from the forum any such material upon the request of the owners of the copyright of said material, as we claim no credit for such material.

For more information go to Limitations on Exclusive Rights: Fair Use

Privacy Policy: Australian Property Forum uses third party advertising companies to serve ads when you visit our site. These third party advertising companies may collect and use information about your visits to Australian Property Forum as well as other web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services of interest to you. If you would like more information about this practice and to know your choices about not having this information used by these companies, click here: Google Advertising Privacy FAQ

Australian Property Forum is hosted by Zetaboards. Please refer also to the Zetaboards Privacy Policy