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Linux; I don't want to lick windows anymore.
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10 Jan 2013, 10:58 PM


I don't think that's the problem. It bypasses the DVD if there is no disk in it. It comes to a dialogue to choose between windows and ubuntu. Windows loads up fine but not Ubuntu.

You have a logical error in your analysis, I could hardly reset the boot order without knowing what the bios is. Presently I'm running from the DVD, because it won't run from the HDD.

The partition that Ubuntu loaded on simply says "New Volume". This suggest it is missing its little start "partition".
Maybe try booting from the ubuntu CD/DVD and install again.
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11 Jan 2013, 09:03 AM
Maybe try booting from the ubuntu CD/DVD and install again.
Well for some reason Ubuntu took over my unallocated space as well. So I had to get a 3rd party to reformat my partitions to what they were before, considering W7 (windows eunuch) is so neutered you can't do that with it. The question is ultimately avoiding Windows Pizza/Vomit 8.
I'm downloading the previous 12.04 LTS version which has more support for it. I'll see if the numerous Youtube guides for 12.04 can help me.

I'll think I'll have to go for ntfs since it appears Fat32 doesn't jive with a partition over 30GB.
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I followed a few youtube videos on installing the legacy Ubuntu. It worked best creating the linux swap file and partition out of unallocated space, loaded with own ext4 file system. I blew the boot file later and windows back was the repair and very automatic. Getting the linux Grub2 dual boot back in bios was another giant pain.

It is faster in operation, making Windows 7 look clunky.
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11 Jan 2013, 09:16 PM
I followed a few youtube videos on installing the legacy Ubuntu. It worked best creating the linux swap file and partition out of unallocated space, loaded with own ext4 file system. I blew the boot file later and windows back was the repair and very automatic. Getting the linux Grub2 dual boot back in bios was another giant pain.

It is faster in operation, making Windows 7 look clunky.
Count, hope you are enjoying the journey. I've never actually run a dual-boot system - I've always run Ubuntu or openSUSE or whatever as a separate box. Moops is right that in future mobos there my be some issues with dual booting because of the whole UEFI thing, but it won't be an issue with your current hardware most likely.

Moops is also right about FAT32 and its limitations - maximum supported file size is 4GB, it has a limit to the size of cluster, and lots of things require workarounds. But the biggest problem with FAT32 is that it gets corrupted much easier than NTFS.

Personally I would make the LINUX partition EXT4 and mount NTFS partitions that you want to share between windows and LINUX. A lot of people just go the full Linux hog and run any windows applications they happen to need under WINE. One big problem is that the Linux drivers for a lot of hardware have pretty crappy performance, and Linux is not a good gaming box. Also Linux just is not as polished as windows, so it is not for people who don't like to tinker.

I'm in the process of changing out of windows home server (because it doesn't support windows 8 clients) and the plan is to run Server essentials and Ubuntu as guest operating systems under Hyper-V, and I may put Win8 in there as well for yucks and a backup. Then I can run one less box in this room and put less load on the aircon in summer.

I would go 64-bit. There is no downside to 64-bit any more. (There used to be - you needed to have 2 sets of libraries and 32-bit applications were sometimes a bitch to get going, and there were plugins for Firefox that just wouldn't run on a 64-bit system, etc.) The big upside is that you can use more than 4GB of RAM under 64-bit.

BTW I've converted my main box from Win7 to Win8 (by clean install and re-installing all software - I don't trust upgrade processes and this gets rid of any malware that might have escaped as well.) and so far I am liking it, after an initial period of getting used to it.
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12 Jan 2013, 06:39 AM
Count, hope you are enjoying the journey. I've never actually run a dual-boot system - I've always run Ubuntu or openSUSE or whatever as a separate box. Moops is right that in future mobos there my be some issues with dual booting because of the whole UEFI thing, but it won't be an issue with your current hardware most likely.

Moops is also right about FAT32 and its limitations - maximum supported file size is 4GB, it has a limit to the size of cluster, and lots of things require workarounds. But the biggest problem with FAT32 is that it gets corrupted much easier than NTFS.


I was only considering a minimalist approach at first. When I was doing the last and finally successful installation my options didn't include NTFS although it did offer FAT32, so I decided to go EXT4. The problem for linux is the MicroBrain file systems aren't open source but FAT32 is so well documented there is no problem. As for MiroBrain he refuses to acknowledge EXT even though it is open source. The main reason dual boot didn't present me a problem is only gave W7 800 GB of the 1.5TB HDD in the first place and kept the rest partitioned off. When you got some unallocated space that will provide a good place for the second install. I'd recommend to anybody with a new HDD to partition it.

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I would go 64-bit. There is no downside to 64-bit any more. (There used to be - you needed to have 2 sets of libraries and 32-bit applications were sometimes a bitch to get going, and there were plugins for Firefox that just wouldn't run on a 64-bit system, etc.) The big upside is that you can use more than 4GB of RAM under 64-bit.


Well I did that one.

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BTW I've converted my main box from Win7 to Win8 (by clean install and re-installing all software - I don't trust upgrade processes and this gets rid of any malware that might have escaped as well.) and so far I am liking it, after an initial period of getting used to it.


For my W7 install last I simply bought a second HDD (which was 3x larger than the original) and clean installed on that.

My real problem is retail programs for stuff I like such as some wargames. Not that I've played that many but the total war series is one I get into. Although I don't know if my present system will handle Rome 2 when it appears in a year or so. I played the latest Total War, Shogun 2 without any difficulty. As for other uses Linux appears good enough for everything else. By looks of things I got my machine at a sweet spot moment which hasn't seen it obsoleted too bad.

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I still got a W95 Pentium 166 set up in the shed. And a spare Aldi 2004 era Wxp Medion 8083 as well. I got another 4GB of RAM I got at a closing down sale, to stick in the main computer case next time I open it.
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12 Jan 2013, 03:17 PM
I was only considering a minimalist approach at first. When I was doing the last and finally successful installation my options didn't include NTFS although it did offer FAT32, so I decided to go EXT4. The problem for linux is the MicroBrain file systems aren't open source but FAT32 is so well documented there is no problem. As for MiroBrain he refuses to acknowledge EXT even though it is open source. The main reason dual boot didn't present me a problem is only gave W7 800 GB of the 1.5TB HDD in the first place and kept the rest partitioned off. When you got some unallocated space that will provide a good place for the second install. I'd recommend to anybody with a new HDD to partition it.
.....however well you plan there are always gotchas.

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My real problem is retail programs for stuff I like such as some wargames. Not that I've played that many but the total war series is one I get into. Although I don't know if my present system will handle Rome 2 when it appears in a year or so. I played the latest Total War, Shogun 2 without any difficulty. As for other uses Linux appears good enough for everything else. By looks of things I got my machine at a sweet spot moment which hasn't seen it obsoleted too bad.


Same here. It's games and Photoshop and to a lesser extent other Adobe software. I like the Total War series as well and not just because it is developed in Brisbane. I lost two solid days last week playing through the Fall of the Samurai extension of Shogun II. I reckon your 9800GT has a good chance of running Rome II. Games seem not to be upping their GPU requirements so fast these days. If not, then you'll kill it with a GTX660Ti. My big annoyance with the latest Total War game is the load time. They seem to think everyone has an SSD drive or something.

I also play D&D RPGs like Dragon Age. Thank God they only come out about once a year. And CIV has destroyed the odd week as well over the years.

I run Linux as a LAMP Web server for home testing. Not that I've done much web development lately. I'm pretty impressed with Ubuntu, but it is still not quite there IMO.

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I still got a W95 Pentium 166 set up in the shed. And a spare Aldi 2004 era Wxp Medion 8083 as well. I got another 4GB of RAM I got at a closing down sale, to stick the main computer case next time I open it.


Wow. a W95 Pentium 166. That must be from 1996 or 1997? Aha. a RAM hoarder as well. Someone told me that weight for weight RAM is more valuable than gold, but that was back in 2000 or so. Hope the RAM you got was DDR2. It's getting scarce. The bastards will be bringing out DDR4 soon.
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12 Jan 2013, 05:17 PM
Same here. It's games and Photoshop and to a lesser extent other Adobe software. I like the Total War series as well and not just because it is developed in Brisbane. I lost two solid days last week playing through the Fall of the Samurai extension of Shogun II. I reckon your 9800GT has a good chance of running Rome II. Games seem not to be upping their GPU requirements so fast these days. If not, then you'll kill it with a GTX660Ti. My big annoyance with the latest Total War game is the load time. They seem to think everyone has an SSD drive or something.

I also play D&D RPGs like Dragon Age. Thank God they only come out about once a year. And CIV has destroyed the odd week as well over the years.

I run Linux as a LAMP Web server for home testing. Not that I've done much web development lately. I'm pretty impressed with Ubuntu, but it is still not quite there IMO.

If all I have to do is replace the 9800GT I'd be very satisfied.
I thought Shogun 2 is their best game so far. Didn't get into FOS because I really don't really like anything beyond the most primitive firearms in the game. My favorite period in Late Roman/Dark Ages. It's strange TW hasn't done ancient China, since there is a few very interesting periods like the rise of the Chin Empire. I did quite a bit of modding with the old BI from Rome 1.
I've tried Civ 4 which is reputedly better than Civ5. But the glory days of Civ were 1 to 3.

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Wow. a W95 Pentium 166. That must be from 1996 or 1997?


I bought bottom of the market in 1998. I thought it was dead for years but when I dusted it off all it was, were the HDD had lost contact. A whole 3.2GB Quatum Fireball HDD.

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Someone told me that weight for weight RAM is more valuable than gold, but that was back in 2000 or so. Hope the RAM you got was DDR2. It's getting scarce.


My original RAM came with gold plating like heat sinks and RAM fan, I realized later that this is only of much use with overclocking, next time I'm opening it up I'm tossing that RAM Fan. The old 4 GB ram is 1066 mhz. The local Dick Smiths was having close down sale so I got 4GB of DDR2 800mhz for $25 and one of those cables for linking the old Medion to the Landmark computer for about the same.

A few years ago I was intimidated opening up the case, but I'm getting more used to it now. There are mech things that can go wrong, like Landmark machine gave full pelt operation CPU temps of 100C. So I reseated it and got it down to something more reasonable. I assume it got shook on the way home from the store because the CPU paste hadn't time to harden. Plus the fact the standard Intel heat sink arrangement was pretty weak.
A heat-sink problem was what killed the Medion and why I bought the LandMark. Later I found the clip holding the CPU had broken. replaced it and then it worked fine, Although I burned a few graphics cards on the Medion playing RTW. Here again I think the problem was mechanical and basically the GPU Fan lubricant got cooked, so really all that was required was re-lubricating the fan. All this explains why gamers like those expensive after market cooling systems which are probably overkill, but at well made.

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The bastards will be bringing out DDR4 soon.


Well at some point I'll have to get a new system and the Landmark can join my computer museum. Prior to the Pentium I had a 486, but sold that for $150 early in the piece.

The pre 98 computers can be only be rising in value, typically they had at least 0.1 grams of gold in the CPU and the Pentium Pro a whole 1 gram!
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12 Jan 2013, 07:46 PM
If all I have to do is replace the 9800GT I'd be very satisfied.
I thought Shogun 2 is their best game so far. Didn't get into FOS because I really don't really like anything beyond the most primitive firearms in the game. My favorite period in Late Roman/Dark Ages. It's strange TW hasn't done ancient China, since there is a few very interesting periods like the rise of the Chin Empire. I did quite a bit of modding with the old BI from Rome 1.
I've tried Civ 4 which is reputedly better than Civ5. But the glory days of Civ were 1 to 3.
Yeah. I guess the latest versions are starting to take quite a bit of processing between turns, and the combat engine is compute intensive. Still, 4BG RAM is heaps and a Q9450 should handle it.

YES! the Warring states and 3 Kingdoms periods are both very interesting. And you could have Sun Zi and Zhuge Liang as your advisors!

Civ 5 is different. I can't say it is better or worse than Civ 1-4. I tend to prefer the new combat model. Civ is hard on graphics cards, surprisingly.
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12 Jan 2013, 07:46 PM
The local Dick Smiths was having close down sale so I got 4GB of DDR2 800mhz for $25
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DDR2 to the MOON

I just paid $56 from umart


That's typical of Legacy stuff, you could do it cheaper from a dodgy trader old S/H down a computer fair. The standard legacy DD2 800 Mhz 2GB stick is around $60 at Landmark and I'd expect the cheapest would be $45. DSE clearing the stock so their in store price is $45 for 2GB. If I remember correctly the 2x 2GB RAM sticks were $140 full freight mid last year, but in the DSE shops last days that particular stuff was marked down to 25%, so I lept in with both feet, even though I haven't stuck them in the sockets yet.

Like a friend of mine trying to get an as new w warranty IDE HDD for his 8 old computer is pricey.
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