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Kneeling to NIMBYism is a luxury Australia can no longer afford; Sydney needs homes for all, not just the NIMBYs
Topic Started: 16 Nov 2012, 08:39 PM (4,472 Views)
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Sydney needs homes for all, not just the NIMBYs

Tim Wiliams
The Daily Telegraph
November 16, 2012 12:00AM

We need the state government's planning reforms. Without them we will never provide the homes we need and Sydney will stay in the slow lane. Consider the hard numbers.

Despite our population growing at just over one per cent each year since 2002, housing delivery in Sydney has halved - a collapse unheard of in other Australian cities.

Is it any wonder that our economy has grown at half the rate of Melbourne's in the last decade? Any wonder that Sydney's employment grew by just 1.4 per cent in that time, when the national average was 2.3 per cent? Any wonder that it now takes nine times the average salary to buy a house in Sydney when it only took three a generation ago?

The not-in-my-backyard brigade who loudly campaigned against homes being built anywhere near them, and a generation of politicians who withered to their demands, need to now face the shameful situation they have created: 70 per cent of Sydneysiders under the age of 35 cannot afford to buy a home. Our kids live at home longer these days because they can't afford to move out.

We have to do better, not just for our housing, but for our overall economic health. Cities that manage their population growth and housing supply grow their economies more too.

Thankfully this state government is taking steps in the right direction. It has established a powerful cabinet committee on housing supply. It has created a new housing-focused delivery agency. And it is considering local government reorganisation.

Above all, it has published a planning green paper which should cut red tape, while involving communities in the process of planning their own city. This is an excellent start.

However, the Committee for Sydney believes the NSW government must do four key things if it is truly serious about housing supply.

Read more: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/sydney-needs-homes-for-all-not-just-the-nimbys/story-e6frezz0-1226517672472
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everyone foams at the mouth calling people nimby's, but lets see how people like mr williams react if they woke up one morning to find a 3 story apartment block being build beside them, with windows face their backyard forever destroying their privacy.

people slinging the nimby tag around are usually the WORST for it.
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16 Nov 2012, 08:43 PM
everyone foams at the mouth calling people nimby's, but lets see how people like mr williams react if they woke up one morning to find a 3 story apartment block being build beside them, with windows face their backyard forever destroying their privacy.

people slinging the nimby tag around are usually the WORST for it.
That's because they're a bunch of wilfully ignorant fuckwits who keep on voting for Liberal and Labor and therefore mass immigration. I know two of them who are also property "investors".

My butt people who sling the nimby tag around are the worst. Most people probably don't even know what nimby means.

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When I rebuilt my house and had to deal with objections from surrounding owners I hated those NIMBYs.

Now that I'm done, I'm one of them. I am a NIMBY and understand why other people want to preserve their neighbourhood. Without NIMBYs we would have some more shocking overdevelopment in good areas. I now object to what I perceive to be bad projects in my neighbourhood.

Call me a door slammer and a hypocrite. I'm comfortable being a hypocrite and don't feel conflicted.
“You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means” - Inigo Montoya
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Councils opt for NIMBY approach on growth

November 7, 2013
Jane-Frances Kelly and Paul Donegan

Planning Minister Matthew Guy announced new rules in March giving power to local councils to plan how and where new housing is built in their area. So far so good. Everyone agrees that while new housing is needed as Melbourne continues to grow, development must respond to the character of local communities.

The new rules set out three zones into which each local council must divide their area. ''Residential growth'' zones enable the highest levels of new housing growth near train lines, shopping strips and the like. ''General residential'' zones should be used in most residential areas to preserve urban character while enabling moderate housing growth. Finally, ''neighbourhood residential'' zones tightly restrict housing growth.

This seems pretty sensible. But what the Planning Minister has failed to do is share responsibility for accommodating more people, so that all areas of the city play their part in meeting Melbourne's growth needs. Glen Eira and Boroondara councils have got in early, exploiting this weakness to declare that they want growth to happen somewhere else.

Glen Eira council has zoned about 80 per cent of residential land to restrict growth in housing. Similarly, Boroondara is seeking approval to restrict growth in about 80 per cent of residential land. Only 1 per cent of residential land in Boroondara is proposed for the residential growth zone, and just 19 per cent for the general residential zone, despite state government guidance that this should be used in most residential areas.

If this pattern of councils locking down most of their neighbourhoods continues, nearly all new housing will be built in Melbourne's outer suburbs and on the urban fringe.

Yet most jobs in Melbourne - especially high-wage skilled jobs - are located within 15 kilometres of the city centre. Good access to jobs and transport make areas such as Glen Eira and Boroondara exactly where Melbourne should be looking to accommodate a reasonable proportion of its growth.

Building new housing ever-further from Melbourne's employment and economic centres will stifle Melbourne's economy. Cities drive economic growth by giving businesses the best chance to attract the skilled employees they need. This is the reason so many businesses choose to locate in central business districts and inner suburbs, despite the much higher rents in these areas. Enabling businesses to draw on the biggest pool of potential employees helps them become more productive, and in turn creates more jobs.

Ensuring businesses right across the city have access to a range of skilled workers is more important to growth and productivity than ever before. Work is becoming more knowledge-intensive throughout the economy, as increasingly skilled workers do increasingly specialised jobs.

Yet people living in some parts of outer Melbourne can reach fewer than 10 per cent of all jobs within a reasonable commuting time. This makes it harder for those people to find suitable work, and means employers face a shallower pool of potential employees.

It is hard to blame inner and middle suburban councils for restricting new housing, even if this hampers city-wide economic growth. Councils don't benefit from offending the vocal minority who oppose almost any change. Poorer access to jobs and opportunities on the urban fringe are somebody else's problem. As are the difficulties many businesses face in finding skilled employees, and the competitiveness of Melbourne's economy.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/councils-opt-for-nimby-approach-on-growth-20131106-2x1kg.html
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16 Nov 2012, 10:02 PM
When I rebuilt my house and had to deal with objections from surrounding owners I hated those NIMBYs.

Now that I'm done, I'm one of them. I am a NIMBY and understand why other people want to preserve their neighbourhood. Without NIMBYs we would have some more shocking overdevelopment in good areas. I now object to what I perceive to be bad projects in my neighbourhood.

Call me a door slammer and a hypocrite. I'm comfortable being a hypocrite and don't feel conflicted.
Yeah I agree,
In my situation, as I invest mainly in inner city, zoning density proposals are going be more high density, in some areas I detest these neighbor NIMBYS who sometimes protest, they need to accept they live near the city & there's going to be development happening around them...or go friggin move somewhere else.

But in some ways, I'm a hypocrite because I live in a riverside suburb with city /river views , I don't want some arse hole building not to the standards that complement the suburb... But I'm in a suburb that will not let shitty poor quality/ high density development happen.. :oo:

Not in my backyard honey but I don't care if it's in yours....
Newjerk? can you try harder than dig up another person's blog. My first promo was with Billabong and my name in English is modified with a T, am Perth born but also lived in Sydney to make my $$
It's Absolutely Fabulous if it includes brilliant locations, & high calibre tenants..what more does one want? Understand the power of the two "P"" or be financially challenged
Even better when there is family who are property mad and one is born in some entitlements.....Understand that beautiful women are the exhibitionists we crave attention, whilst hot blooded men are the voyeurs ... A stunning woman can command and takes pleasure in being noticed. Seems not too many understand what it means to hold and own props and get threatened by those who do.
Banks are considered to be law abiding and & rather boring places yeah not true . A bank balance sheet will show capital is dwarfed by their liabilities this means when a portions of loans is falling its problems for the bank.
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9 Nov 2013, 11:20 PM

Not in my backyard honey but I don't care if it's in yours....
You're all class bubble head.

I can't wait to get enough money so I can buy a girl like you.

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When I rebuilt my house and had to deal with objections from surrounding owners I hated those NIMBYs.

Now that I'm done, I'm one of them. I am a NIMBY and understand why other people want to preserve their neighbourhood. Without NIMBYs we would have some more shocking overdevelopment in good areas. I now object to what I perceive to be bad projects in my neighbourhood.

Call me a door slammer and a hypocrite. I'm comfortable being a hypocrite and don't feel conflicted.


If you vote for mass immigration and are a nimby, you're not just a hypocrite, you're scum.

That's the standard chardonnay socialist excuse, that they want to preserve the character, but that should be illegal, because that's a matter of taste. I think a lot of these new apartment blocks look ok, you get used to them, and they usher in a new less hypocritical age, ie we're a bunch of cheesedicks, so let's embrace it. We should be absolutely carpeting the Inner West with them.

If the Libs want to keep power for any length of time they'll have to do some radical shit, otherwise things like missing out on the NBN and doing something about climate change will gain precedence in people's minds, this is precisely the sort of thing that would gain him massive favour, absolutely fucking chardonnay socialists up.
Edited by themoops, 9 Nov 2013, 11:34 PM.
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I'm a hypocrite
All that needs to be said really.
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If you vote for mass immigration and are a nimby, you're not just a hypocrite, you're scum.

That's the standard chardonnay socialist excuse, that they want to preserve the character, but that should be illegal, because that's a matter of taste. I think a lot of these new apartment blocks look ok, you get used to them, and they usher in a new less hypocritical age, ie we're a bunch of cheesedicks, so let's embrace it. We should be absolutely carpeting the Inner West with them.

If the Libs want to keep power for any length of time they'll have to do some radical shit, otherwise things like missing out on the NBN and doing something about climate change will gain precedence in people's minds, this is precisely the sort of thing that would gain him massive favour, absolutely fucking chardonnay socialists up.
Fair enough point of view. Fortunately it's a minority position. Most home owners would disagree with you and even a fair few renters want period cornices and pressed metal ceilings.
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16 Nov 2012, 10:02 PM
When I rebuilt my house and had to deal with objections from surrounding owners I hated those NIMBYs.

Now that I'm done, I'm one of them. I am a NIMBY and understand why other people want to preserve their neighbourhood. Without NIMBYs we would have some more shocking overdevelopment in good areas. I now object to what I perceive to be bad projects in my neighbourhood.

Call me a door slammer and a hypocrite. I'm comfortable being a hypocrite and don't feel conflicted.
You have highlighted succinctly why NIMBY's need to be neutered to a large degree.

The Government is responsible for the greater good of society. Though you have every right to express your selfish views ( I once had similar views to an extent regarding my home), your views ought to have no more significance to housing policy compared to the selfish views of the next taxpayer who may not own their own home.

I am a supporter of stifling NIMBY's, even though it is contrary to my own interests, and I can see the damage current policy is causing our society, our economy, the environment, our transportation system, inner city culture and even mental health and well-being.

In my book, if you buy a house within 250m of a train station in inner city Sydney and then complain about medium or high density going in next door - go jump. Move to Newcastle or Darwin if you don't like it.

With a sensible 15 year master-plan that allows for high rise buildings and 4 - 5 story terraces in appropriate locations within Sydney's inner city (near train/tram stattions) - whilst adhering to heritage values - we can hopefully (finally) have an efficient and vibrant city.
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That's the standard chardonnay socialist excuse, that they want to preserve the character, but that should be illegal, because that's a matter of taste.

Luckily, close to 90% of the inner cities best examples of Victorian, Edwardian, Georgian and WW2 era housing are under heritage protection. I can't agree with you Moops, it is critically important to preserve heritage architecture. Even the Roden Cutler House and UTS tower have value as a statement of work - and I usually hate Brutalism.

Though I think forcing home owners so adhere to strict heritage standards for things such as painting the house (you only have two choices in some council areas) is way too extreme.
Edited by Dr Kinetoscope, 10 Nov 2013, 12:34 AM.
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