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Anthropogenic Climate Change and Religion / Belief in a God; Do anthropogenic climate change alarmists also believe in god?
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1 Nov 2012, 06:16 PM


To be precise 101% of global warming beyond the pre-industrial mean is being caused by Human activity. The 101% of climate change because prior to the modern industrial era the world climate was slowly cooling.

This is based on evidence and logic.
Global temperature has ceased rising and is now falling. Industrialisation is more pronounced now than then, there are more people now than then.
If human impact is such a great cause for "global warming" why then is this not continuing?
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1 Nov 2012, 06:31 PM
Global temperature has ceased rising and is now falling. Industrialisation is more pronounced now than then, there are more people now than then.
If human impact is such a great cause for "global warming" why then is this not continuing?
Warmest year on record was 2010, 2011 turned out to be markedly cooler. Maybe the recession is biting a little.

The variations are from heat transfer from the air to the ocean.
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Count du Monet
1 Nov 2012, 06:16 PM
101% of global warming beyond the pre-industrial mean is being caused by Human activity
Well, there's little point in me trying to debate someone who possesses such strong faith...
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1 Nov 2012, 06:57 PM
Warmest year on record was 2010, 2011 turned out to be markedly cooler. Maybe the recession is biting a little.

The variations are from heat transfer from the air to the ocean.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-background-articles/2000-years-of-global-temperatures/

you mean on record as is recorded in modern times right. clearly global temperatures have varied just as quickly in the past as they are now. global warming is environmental alarm-ism at it's best.
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1 Nov 2012, 06:57 PM
Warmest year on record was 2010
Your record doesn't go back far

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1 Nov 2012, 07:28 PM
Your record doesn't go back far

I'll fix that for you!


http://www.skepticalscience.com/new-remperature-reconstruction-vindicates.html

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Now have close look between the Spencer bullshit chart and an actual instrumental record. From about 1650 the Royal Society measured England's temperature using a new do-da called the thermometer.

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1 Nov 2012, 08:22 PM
I'll fix that for you!
A temperature "reconstruction" by a swedish journal for part of one hemisphere???

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From about 1650 the Royal Society measured England's temperature using a new do-da called the thermometer.
England ≠ Globe
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1 Nov 2012, 11:34 AM
I believe in santa bunny and the easter claus...

since I have recently embarked on a root canal rather than getting it ripped out, I no longer believe in the tooth fairy.
Did you hear about the Buddhist monk that refused pain relief for a root canal?

He believed he could transcend-dental-medication.
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1 Nov 2012, 04:00 PM
No, you're wrong. She is right, you don't have to disprove something that is not evident. As Kant pointed out, proofs and disproofs of god are equally irrelevant, you neither prove or disprove the existence of god. He wrote that in reaction to a time which was highly concerned with finding proofs for god and literally digging him up somewhere.






The Anthropomorphic god simply arises via our instincts for a paternal figure in our lives. This doesn't rule out the possibility of a non-Anthropomorphic creative god.
You tell me that I am wrong and then go on to propose my position as what is correct. funny way of arguing, but I will take affirmation where it is available.

Failing to prove the existence of something or even showing the impossibility of proving the existence of something is not the same as proving the non-existence of that same thing. In the end it is a Mexican standoff. You can take any position you like in the sure knowledge that you cannot be proven wrong, but you also cannot prove that you are right.

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Not true. Science tests, propositions with logic and known facts. In religion the opposite occurs, it is simply faith without evidence. Aka, mysticism and transcendentalism. Science deals with objective reality, religion deals with subjective realities like morals. There is no morality in science, so religion is necessary for society to function.


Exactly. They are orthogonal. Being a mystic in no way stops you from taking a scientific approach to cosmology at the same time. You can make use of the fact that PI is 3.14159etc with or without believing there is an answer to the question "why is PI=3.14159etc." In the end there will always be something that is unexplainable that you can choose to explain using or not using a deity.

Science is, in the end, descriptive. It tries to make sense of what we can perceive - that is, find the causal and correlative relations between things we can perceive and to develop predictive models based on those relations. It is not concerned with the question of why we perceive what we perceive. It has no need to be concerned with that question. That is the province of religion, mysticism or whatever you you want to call it.

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The Anthropomorphic god simply arises via our instincts for a paternal figure in our lives. This doesn't rule out the possibility of a non-Anthropomorphic creative god.


I agree with that too.


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1 Nov 2012, 03:29 PM
In David Hume's time it was impractical to remain a respected public figure as a self-professed atheist. Even Darwin used the word "creation" rather than "evolution" throughout the Origin of Species. Hobbes was threatened with a trial by Parliament for his suspected atheism. John Stuart Mill's atheism could only be revealed after his death in posthumous essays. Shelley was expelled from Oxford for a pamphlet entitled "The Necessity of Atheism". No atheists (or even non-Anglicans) were allowed to teach or even study at Oxford or Cambridge.
Not absolutely sure what you are trying to say here. It is almost certainly true that David Hume was an atheist. He certainly was not a theist because he denied the possibility of miracles. It is just possible that he was a theist (essentially someone who believes that there was a creator God who set things in motion and after that has not interfered). He was not too worried about the establishment though. In "Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion" he laid waste to the teleological proof of the existence of God (essentially intelligent design) that was popular at the time with a vigour, efficiency and elegance that makes Richard Dawkins look like the philosophical also-ran that he is.

He was a Scot from Edinburgh, so he was not eligible to be on the staff at Cambridge and Oxford anyhow. He was, however, not allowed to take up the chair in Philosophy at the University of Edinburgh precisely because of his atheistic leanings. Essentially, he seems to have been an atheist who admitted that he could not prove the correctness of his belief. Mind you, he also held that the fact that the sun has risen every morning until now did not provide a basis for a rational belief that the sun will rise tomorrow.

Pretty rigorous chap David Hume. To my mind the greatest philosopher to have written in English. (but that is also something that I cannot prove.) Also in actual fact a legendary pisspot (cue Monty Python sketch).

Good program on David Hume here.
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31 Oct 2012, 12:08 PM
We should definitely take steps to reduce pollution, but we should do it for reasons such as improving air and water quality.

We shouldn't be doing it in order to prevent the climate from changing, because if we do it to prevent the climate from changing then we have no way to measure success, as the climate will change anyway...
But on what consistent basis do you propose to distinguish control of pollution for air-quality reasons (which "we should definitely take steps to reduce") from control of pollution for climate change reasons?!?

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