1. There is no science to support the existence or non-existence of gods.
2. There is no science that shows the degree to which humans influence the global climate, nor is there any consensus on the degree to which humans influence the global climate.
1. I agree, it is why I am agnostic
2. I agree with this too, I have no doubt the earth is going/goes through climate change. I am yet to see convincing data that we humans are the cause of major climate change
There are some people who seem angry and continuously look for conflict. Walk away, the battle they are fighting isn't with you, it's with themselves.
The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is not enough of anything to satisfy all who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics. ~ Thomas Sowell.
Who was the fool, who the wise man, who the beggar or the Emperor? Whether rich or poor, all are equal in death.
The argument essentially is whether increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere cause more global warming.
The answer is yes.
You're pursuing a line of argument which indicates subjective emotionalism. Nothing to do with objectivity.
As for increasing CO2 being harmless for our sort of life, no it isn't. Even 1000 ppmbv is impairing the health of mammalian life. Mammals became lords of the planet as CO2 levels plummeted from 50 million years ago onwards. Mammals don't have have the super-efficient respiration that theropods have.
Even if you lock yourself in your bedroom at night you will not suffer any lasting effects from rebreathing C02, otherwise every bedroom door would be required by law to have a permanently open vent.
C02 is not a toxic gas otherwise giving fizzy drinks to kids would have been banned long ago, greenhouse workers would have to wear respirators, cars would need emission technology and the brewing industry would have to find a different method of producing alcohol.
And it is just a simple fact that C02 is essential to life on earth as we know it today.
Even if you lock yourself in your bedroom at night you will not suffer any lasting effects from rebreathing C02, otherwise every bedroom door would be required by law to have a permanently open vent.
C02 is not a toxic gas otherwise giving fizzy drinks to kids would have been banned long ago, greenhouse workers would have to wear respirators, cars would need emission technology and the brewing industry would have to find a different method of producing alcohol.
And it is just a simple fact that C02 is essential to life on earth as we know it today.
The Problem - Ventilation in modern airtight homes can be woefully inadequate.
Adult time spent in bedrooms can be at least 8 hours a day. Children may additionally use their bedroom as a den in which case they could spend almost all their home time in the bedroom. It is essential, therefore, that bedrooms are properly ventilated. Based on European CEN Standard 13779 ventilation for 'medium' air quality should be at least 10 L/s per occupant (15 L/s for high indoor air quality). This equates to a steady state metabolic carbon dioxide concentration (CO2) of no more than 800 ppm. It is now known that poorly ventilated spaces create adverse symptoms as well as exacerbating the probability of high humidity, condensation mould growth and the presence of house dust mites. Symptoms of drowsiness and poor reaction time are also common. A night in an inadequately ventilated bedroom is likely to result in poor daytime health and, possibly, long term damage to health. Recent times have shown a dramatic rise in allergy related illnesses such as asthma. The conditions in poorly ventilated spaces are precisely those that can create such problems.
Measurements of actual ventilation rates, based on CO2 concentration, have consistently shown bedroom ventilation rates to be dangerously inadequate. Illustrated below is a not untypical result in which the carbon dioxide is seen to reach a steady state approaching 5000 ppm. This corresponds to an occupant ventilation rate of about 1 L/s. This is woefully inadequate but is typical of a bedroom with closed windows and doors. Such a low ventilation rate is simply not healthy but is probably quite common in the modern airtight home.
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!! You are no longer customer, you are property!!!
So now you want to tell me that 5% C02 concentrations are common in homes overnight
Lets ban homes
No need, this is obviously why we build the largest homes, greater volume of air to reduce the % concentration of CO2
There are some people who seem angry and continuously look for conflict. Walk away, the battle they are fighting isn't with you, it's with themselves.
The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is not enough of anything to satisfy all who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics. ~ Thomas Sowell.
Who was the fool, who the wise man, who the beggar or the Emperor? Whether rich or poor, all are equal in death.
What do you mean "that is bullshit" This whole thread is bullshit
Negative gearing is a form of leveraged speculation in which a speculator borrows money to buy an asset, but the income generated by that asset does not cover the interest on the loan
A negative gearing strategy can only make a profit if the asset rises so much in price that the capital gain is more than the sum of the ongoing losses over the life of the speculation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_gearing
You keep repeating this... CO2 is harmless, CO2 is not toxic. Yet that is blatantly not the case. High levels of carbon dioxide cause irregular heartbeat, hallucinations, vomited, unconsciousness and death.
And have you ever heard of choke damp in mines? "Countless miners laboring underground have forfeited their lives to "choke damp," the term for the oxidizing of carbon trapped within coal. When this process takes place in an enclosed space (such as the depths of a mine), the resulting carbon Carbon dioxide molecule dioxide cannot dissipate and forms an invisible deadly cloud. Accounts given by people who witnessed choke damp in action described deaths that came so quickly the victims had no chance to escape. One person, recounting the fate of eight men and one woman who walked into an area where the gas had accumulated, said they "fell down dead, as if they had been shot." Another narrative of a different death said the stricken miner was "without access to cry but once 'God's mercy.'" http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/smother.asp
You still want to claim CO2 is harmless, that it is not toxic?
Every heard of hypercapnia? "Hypercapnia is a condition where there is too much carbon dioxide (CO2) in the blood. ... Symptoms and signs of early hypercapnia include flushed skin, full pulse, tachypnea, dyspnea, extrasystoles, muscle twitches, hand flaps, reduced neural activity, and possibly a raised blood pressure. According to other sources, symptoms of mild hypercapnia might include headache, confusion and lethargy. Hypercapnia can induce increased cardiac output, an elevation in arterial blood pressure, and a propensity toward arrhythmias.[5][6] In severe hypercapnia " (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia)
So, you still want to claim CO2 is harmless? I'm sure all the people who have died from CO2 poisoning and will disagree with you.
CO2 is an asphyxiant gas and not classified as toxic or harmful in accordance with Globally Harmonized System of Classification and Labelling of Chemicals standards of United Nations Economic Commission for Europe by using the OECD Guidelines for the Testing of Chemicals. In concentrations up to 1% (10,000 ppm) will make some people feel drowsy.[78] Concentrations of 7% to 10% may cause suffocation, manifesting as dizziness, headache, visual and hearing dysfunction, and unconsciousness within a few minutes to an hour.[80]
Adaptation to increased levels of CO2 occurs in humans. Continuous inhalation of CO2 can be tolerated at three percent inspired concentrations for at least one month and four percent inspired concentrations for over a week. It was suggested that 2.0 percent inspired concentrations could be used for closed air spaces (e.g. a submarine) since the adaptation is physiological and reversible.
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