How significant a role would you say those play compared to these ones?
Absolutly none!
How can anyone think that a few billion humans, and their little cars and houses, and aircraft and itsibitsi little things could have any impact what so ever.
Its plainly ludicrous.
I don't know where people get such ideas.
WHAT WOULD EDDIE DO? MAAAATE! Share a cot with Milton?
I believe in the Anglo-Saxon gods, Woden, Thunor and Geviz. Does that count? also according to legend they are all dead. Does it have to be alive gods?
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It is the extent of human contribution that can't be proved.
If we know we are contributing, even though we don't know by exactly how much, shouldn't we aim to stop our contribution anyway - just in case it's a significant amount?
Believing whether or not human activity is affecting climate change is essentially a variation on Pascals Wager.
If the believers are wrong but they took steps to decrease human produced green house gas, they have just wasted some time, money and energy.
If on the other hand they are correct, then they have done the right thing and improved their life and the lot of generations to come.
We should definitely take steps to reduce pollution, but we should do it for reasons such as improving air and water quality. We shouldn't be doing it in order to prevent the climate from changing, because if we do it to prevent the climate from changing then we have no way to measure success, as the climate will change anyway, and we cannot know how much change (if any) was prevented by our actions. We may be throwing money into a black hole. In a few decades if the climate then starts cooling (for natural reasons) do we spend lots of money trying to warm it up again? Waste of money. We shouldn't throw money into a futile effort to prevent the climate from changing when the money could be better spend adapting to the changes.
For example, if we think there will be reduced rainfall in certain areas then we spend money on better rainwater harvesting infrastructure. In flood plains we spend money raising homes on stilts. Spend money on better levees and seawalls near the coast. In areas that will become drier we spend money on better irrigation. Improve our building standards to withstand more severe weather events. Invest money in farming and crop technology to provide food under a range of different environments.
Future generations will thank us for providing them with the infrastructure necessary to deal with inevitable climate change.
They won't thank us if we instead wasted the money on trying to prevent the climate from changing.
Father Malachi Martin worked in and around the highest echelons of the Catholic church, had an ear to the pope, and held 3 doctorates.
He explained in 1997 that the celestial body approaching us will cause millions to perish during its passage in 5-10 years. He said to look to the skies for a sign of impending doom. The sign will be in the form of a cross and everyone will see it. (Planet X is said to look like a red cross in the sky when it first appears) ...
We should definitely take steps to reduce pollution, but we should do it for reasons such as improving air and water quality. We shouldn't be doing it in order to prevent the climate from changing, because if we do it to prevent the climate from changing then we have no way to measure success, as the climate will change anyway, and we cannot know how much change (if any) was prevented by our actions. We may be throwing money into a black hole. In a few decades if the climate then starts cooling (for natural reasons) do we spend lots of money trying to warm it up again? Waste of money. We shouldn't throw money into a futile effort to prevent the climate from changing when the money could be better spend adapting to the changes.
For example, if we think there will be reduced rainfall in certain areas then we spend money on better rainwater harvesting infrastructure. In flood plains we spend money raising homes on stilts. Spend money on better levees and seawalls near the coast. In areas that will become drier we spend money on better irrigation. Improve our building standards to withstand more severe weather events. Invest money in farming and crop technology to provide food under a range of different environments.
Future generations will thank us for providing them with the infrastructure necessary to deal with inevitable climate change.
They won't thank us if we instead wasted the money on trying to prevent the climate from changing.
Mouzealots & white shoes move to science. Herald Sun should a take a notice.
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Following on from this thread, I was wondering how many anthropogenic climate change alarmists also believe in a god?
The anthropogenic climate change theory is more like a religion than science. Everyone knows the climate has always been influenced by natural forces, and has been changing for billions of years, before humans were around. Any impact of humans on climate change is unknown and can't be measured in isolation from those natural causes. Therefore it is impossible to demonstrate that current changes in the climate (temperature, sea levels, ice caps, extreme weather events etc) are caused predominantly by humans rather than other natural forces. There is no evidence. All the alarmists have is their faith... it's like a religion.
Climate change alarmists talk about a 'consensus' by which they really mean a majority opinion. There is no true consensus on anthropogenic climate change any more than there is a consensus on the existence of a god (the majority of people also believe in some form of a god, despite the lack of evidence).
I don't see how it would be possible for a climate change alarmist to also believe in a god. Because those who believe in a god generally believe the god is responsible for everything, which would have to include responsibility for the climate - i.e. humans can't be causing climate change if a god is responsible for it. Alternatively they might argue that god is responsible for what humans do, therefore climate change is god's will.
Personally I don't believe in a god, and I believe climate change is natural. Humans may contribute to it, but humans are a part of nature too, and our influence is probably tiny compared to the massive influence from non-human sources. Any influence we may have on the climate will also change naturally as we inevitably move to alternative energy sources. Regardless of what humans do, nature will continue to adapt to changes in the climate (while also causing changes to the climate) as has been the case for billions of years. Humans can't prevent this from happening... we will simply continue to adapt along with the rest of nature.
Again, you demonstrate an incredible lack of understanding around this issue. And rather than broaden your knowledge you post this thread? Seriously?
Clearly you have no interest in having an intelligent debate about this topic, or doing your homework before engaging in such a discussion.
Looks like mostly steam (i.e. water) and pollution. Definitely worth cleaning up pollution to improve local air and water quality, but it's probably not going to affect the global climate much.
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