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Do you believe in Anthropogenic Climate Change and/or a god?
I do believe in a god. I do believe humans are predominantly responsible for current climate change. 3 (10.3%)
I do believe in a god. I don't believe humans are predominantly responsible for current climate change. 7 (24.1%)
I don't believe in a god. I do believe humans are predominantly responsible for current climate change. 12 (41.4%)
I don't believe in a god. I don't believe humans are predominantly responsible for current climate change. 7 (24.1%)
Total Votes: 29
Anthropogenic Climate Change and Religion / Belief in a God; Do anthropogenic climate change alarmists also believe in god?
Topic Started: 31 Oct 2012, 11:00 AM (27,138 Views)
Shadow
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Following on from this thread, I was wondering how many anthropogenic climate change alarmists also believe in a god?

The anthropogenic climate change theory is more like a religion than science. Everyone knows the climate has always been influenced by natural forces, and has been changing for billions of years, before humans were around. Any impact of humans on climate change is unknown and can't be measured in isolation from those natural causes. Therefore it is impossible to demonstrate that current changes in the climate (temperature, sea levels, ice caps, extreme weather events etc) are caused predominantly by humans rather than other natural forces. There is no evidence. All the alarmists have is their faith... it's like a religion.

Climate change alarmists talk about a 'consensus' by which they really mean a majority opinion. There is no true consensus on anthropogenic climate change any more than there is a consensus on the existence of a god (the majority of people also believe in some form of a god, despite the lack of evidence).

I don't see how it would be possible for a climate change alarmist to also believe in a god. Because those who believe in a god generally believe the god is responsible for everything, which would have to include responsibility for the climate - i.e. humans can't be causing climate change if a god is responsible for it. Alternatively they might argue that god is responsible for what humans do, therefore climate change is god's will.

Personally I don't believe in a god, and I believe climate change is natural. Humans may contribute to it, but humans are a part of nature too, and our influence is probably tiny compared to the massive influence from non-human sources. Any influence we may have on the climate will also change naturally as we inevitably move to alternative energy sources. Regardless of what humans do, nature will continue to adapt to changes in the climate (while also causing changes to the climate) as has been the case for billions of years. Humans can't prevent this from happening... we will simply continue to adapt along with the rest of nature.
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Who in their right mind could possibly believe that this Posted Image or this Posted Image could lead to climate change?

Sheeesh people are just so dumb!
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31 Oct 2012, 11:26 AM
Who in their right mind could possibly believe that this

could lead to climate change?

Sheeesh people are just so dumb!
How significant a role would you say those play compared to these ones?

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Volcanoes:When the volcano erupts it throws large amount of the sulfur dioxide, water vapor, dusts and ashes in the atmosphere.We know the volcanic activities remains for only a short period but the large volumes of the gases and the ashes influence the climate patterns for years.Similarly the millions of tones of the sulfur dioxide may reach the upper level of atmosphere from the major eruption and that gases and dusts particles may block the incoming ray of the sun. Tiny particles produced by the volcano are called aerosols because they reflects the energy of the solar back in to the space and they have the cooling impact on the world.Similarly the sulfur dioxide combines the water to form tiny droplets of sulfuric acid which are so small that can stay for several year.They are efficient reflection of the sunlight and screen the ground from some of the energy that would receive from the sun.Therefore the volcanic activities causes the climate change in the universe.

Ocean Current:The another natural factor that cause the climate change in the earth is ocean current because they are the major components of the climate system.We all know that they cover about 71% of the earth and absorb the about twice as much of the sun's radiation as the atmosphere or the land surface.Ocean current move vast amount of the heat across the planet and the same amount as the atmosphere does.Wind push horizontally against the sea surface and drive the ocean currents.The phenomena such as EI Nino produced by the interactions between the ocean and atmosphere, occur every 2 to 6 years. Similarly there are the deep ocean circulation of cold water form the pole towards the equator and the movement of the warm water towards the pole. This Process vital role to make the pole cold and the equator the warmer.The ocean can play an important role to determine the atmosphere of concentration of CO2.So change in the circulation of the ocean have great impacts on the climate change through the movement of the CO2 into or out of the atmosphere. Ocean current also change the direction or slow down.Much of the heat which escapes from the ocean is in the water vapour. the most abundant greenhouse gases.Water vapor also helps to create the clouds. Therefore the ocean current has the great effect on the climate change in the universe.The Most Important Natural Causes of Climate Change In The Universe

Solar Variation:We know that sun is the great source of the energy for the earth's system.Although the sun's energy comes constantly everyday as per the point of view, but the small changes over an extended period of time may lead the changes in the climate.As the sun is the great or fundamental source of the energy for the earth that is instrumental in our climate system. So it is reasonable to assume that change in the sun's output may cause the climate change.According to the scientific studies the solar variation had the great effect in the climate change in the past.Current global warming is incomplete without the solar variation.Because since 1750 the amount of the energy coming from the sun either remained constant or increased.The scientists have also observed that a cooling in the upper atmosphere and warmer in the surface and lower parts of the atmosphere.Because this is due to greenhouse gases.So we can say the solar variation can change the climate in various ways in the universe.

Continental Drift: According to the scientists South America and Africa were joined together many years ago, and all continents were all parts of the one large landmass.There are a lot of proof about it such as similarity between the plants and animal fossils and broad belts of rocks found in the eastern side of South America.The discovery of the fossils of the tropical plant in the Antarctica has made the conclusion that, this frozen land in the past must have been the closer to the equator, where the climate was the tropical.The continents which we know well or we are living today, were formed where the landmass began gradually drifting apart, millions of years back.This drift had also great effect on the climate change because it changed the physical parts of the landmass and the position of the water bodies.The separation of the landmass change the flow of the ocean current and winds the affects the climate system. Therefore the continentals drift has the The Most Important Natural Causes of Climate Change In The Universegreat impact on the climate change.So it is an important natural causes that affects the whole universal climate.

Earth Orbital Change:The another natural factor in the universe that affects the climate change is the earth's tilt.We all know that the earth makes a full orbit around sun each year.It is titled at the angel of 23.5 degree to the perpendicular plane of its orbit path.So changes in the tilt of the earth may lead to the small but climatically important change in the position of the seasons. More tilt means warmer summer and colder winter and less tilt means colder summer and milder winter.Similarly sloe change in the earth tilt can lead to the small but climatically important change in the strength of the seasons. So it has great effect on the climate change.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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Shadow
31 Oct 2012, 11:00 AM
Following on from this thread, I was wondering how many anthropogenic climate change alarmists also believe in a god?

The anthropogenic climate change theory is more like a religion than science. Everyone knows the climate has always been influenced by natural forces, and has been changing for billions of years, before humans were around. Any impact of humans on climate change is unknown and can't be measured in isolation from those natural causes. Therefore it is impossible to demonstrate that current changes in the climate (temperature, sea levels, ice caps, extreme weather events etc) are caused predominantly by humans rather than other natural forces. There is no evidence. All the alarmists have is their faith... it's like a religion.

Climate change alarmists talk about a 'consensus' by which they really mean a majority opinion. There is no true consensus on anthropogenic climate change any more than there is a consensus on the existence of a god (the majority of people also believe in some form of a god, despite the lack of evidence).

I don't see how it would be possible for a climate change alarmist to also believe in a god. Because those who believe in a god generally believe the god is responsible for everything, which would have to include responsibility for the climate - i.e. humans can't be causing climate change if a god is responsible for it. Alternatively they might argue that god is responsible for what humans do, therefore climate change is god's will.

Personally I don't believe in a god, and I believe climate change is natural. Humans may contribute to it, but humans are a part of nature too, and our influence is probably tiny compared to the massive influence from non-human sources. Any influence we may have on the climate will also change naturally as we inevitably move to alternative energy sources. Regardless of what humans do, nature will continue to adapt to changes in the climate (while also causing changes to the climate) as has been the case for billions of years. Humans can't prevent this from happening... we will simply continue to adapt along with the rest of nature.
Catweasel laugh at a irony. Mouzealot will equate beliefs in a scientific observe with a religious. On another paw, it will apply empirical in its beliefs about asset price of which a have tenuous connection to a nature. It display as much a religosity as belief in a climate change. Since the when has mouzealot had interest in a science? Goodness the grief. Of the course, it cannot prove human the activity not a contribute to a climate change, so mouzealot exhibit worst the kind of molestation of scientific mind: inability to form hypothesis for the the scientific process.

What the consistent observe is that if mouzealot sense opportunity to bait reactionary forum mouse, it cannot do a resist.
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Shadow
31 Oct 2012, 11:31 AM
Who in their right mind could possibly believe that this

could lead to climate change?

Sheeesh people are just so dumb!


Believing whether or not human activity is affecting climate change is essentially a variation on Pascals Wager.

If the believers are wrong but they took steps to decrease human produced green house gas, they have just wasted some time, money and energy.

If on the other hand they are correct, then they have done the right thing and improved their life and the lot of generations to come.


My question then is, did the Philosopher Pascal possess more wisdom than internet bloggers.





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I asked these folk Posted Image


They all agreed that homocentric global warming is complete crap!

Its the volcanoes they chanted in unison, it simply couldn't be us!
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31 Oct 2012, 11:37 AM


Believing whether or not human activity is affecting climate change is essentially a variation on Pascals Wager.

If the believers are wrong but they took steps to decrease human produced green house gas, they have just wasted some time, money and energy.

If on the other hand they are correct, then they have done the right thing and improved their life and the lot of generations to come.


My question then is, did the Philosopher Pascal possess more wisdom than internet bloggers.




Catweassl say good gawd. Its the worse fears of a Australia is when white shoes start to a tackle science.
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31 Oct 2012, 11:33 AM
Mouzealot will equate beliefs in a scientific observe with a religious
Scientific observations are unable to isolate the human influences on climate change from the non-human influences.

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it cannot prove human the activity not a contribute to a climate change
It is the extent of human contribution that can't be proved.
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This grey stuff is not petrochemical smog over china, and it has absolutly no effect on the climate:
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31 Oct 2012, 11:51 AM

I'm agnostic, but mostly an atheist, and I couldn't give a fuck. :lol

The weather in Sydney is the same as it always was, but I suspect the seasons have moved a month onwards, for instance it doesn't really get hot until January, and doesn't really get cool until May.
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