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The Boom is Over, Get Used to a Long Bear Market Just Like Japan; How This Bear Market Could Last Another 18 Years… Just Like Japan
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10 Jun 2012, 09:51 AM
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How This Bear Market Could Last Another 18 Years… Just Like Japan’s
by Kris Sayce on 6 June 2012
Yesterday, Bloomberg News reported:
‘Japan’s Topix Index (TPX) entered a bear market, with stocks plunging to a level not seen since 1983 as Europe’s debt crisis spurs a global flight from risk assets, driving up the yen and threatening exports…
‘In 1983, the Topix was in the sixth year of a 12-year advance that ended when an asset bubble burst, ushering in an era of deflation and economic stagnation. The gauge has lost 76 percent since peaking on Dec. 18, 1989.’
It has been a rough time for Japanese stock investors.
An entire generation of Japanese have lived through a bear market. Japanese investors who were 18 when they bought their first shares in 1989 are now 41 years old.
And so, as the Aussie market nears the end of its fifth year as a bear market, the question on every investor’s lips should be: Will Aussie stocks fall for another 18 years?
We’ll give you our take on it now…
Until recently, most people thought asset prices always went up.
This was mostly the view among stock and housing investors.
Why?
Because it was what they had seen during their lifetime. Even when house and stock prices fell, it wasn’t long before they recovered and went higher again.
Take the 1987 and 2001 stock market crashes. Or the early 1990s housing bust. Soon prices stopped falling, levelled off, and then soared higher. What the Japanese Bear Market Tells Us
But as the Japanese experience shows, stock and housing prices don’t always go up, and they don’t always recover after a crash.
Look at that quote from Bloomberg again. The Topix Index ‘has lost 76 percent since peaking on Dec. 18, 1989′.
And the important thing is, if Japanese stock market history tells you anything, over time the impact of the crash gets worse, not better. As this chart of another Japanese index, the Nikkei 225 shows:

Following the 1989 peak, the index halved over the next four years. Then it steadied into a range, before continuing to fall.
The Japanese stock market is an important lesson for any investor about the impact of credit-fuelled bubbles. We won’t go into the history of the Japanese bubble, except to remind you of how the 3.41 km2 of land containing Tokyo’s Imperial Palace was valued at ‘more than all the real estate in California’ during the 1980s boom (Edward Jay Epstein, 2009).
What it tells you is that rather than stock and housing prices always going up (in the long run), they behave more like a bouncing ball.
In Japan during the 1980s, the credit-fuelled boom threw the ball high into the air. It began to fall in 1989. The ball hit the floor in the early 1990s…bounced until the mid-1990s…fell and hit the floor again by the mid-2000s…and so on.
You get the point.
But why should this happen? And what can it tell us about the future direction of the Aussie market? Following Japan’s Bear Market Lead
The Japan experts will tell us Japan is unique. The usual spiel is that Japan owns all its own debt and so it’s different to the debt picture in the US, Europe and elsewhere.
Maybe that’s true. And maybe it isn’t. Or maybe Japan’s economy is just a few years ahead of the game. Consider these two charts from the latest Banque de France Financial Stability Review:
Holders of government debt

Right now, Japanese residents and the Bank of Japan hold 94% of all Japanese government debt.
Compare that to 52% of US government debt held by the Fed and private residents. In fact, US Fed and government (including government agencies) hold USD$6.328 trillion…about 40% of all US debt.
And according to a 28th March report by the Wall Street Journal, ‘The Federal Reserve is propping up the entire US economy by buying 61 percent of the government debt issued by the Treasury Department…’
The report concludes that this is ‘a trend that cannot last’.
But what if it can last?
What if the US Fed keeps buying US debt?
Who’s to say that in 10 or 15 years, US residents and the Fed won’t own 94% of all US debt?
It doesn’t seem likely now, but then, four years ago it didn’t seem likely that the US government would own 40% of its own debt today.
With so much money flowing into government coffers, investors need to face the facts: the era of financial asset growth is over.
No government will ever choose to cut spending. Remember that all the talk of austerity is false. Government spending in the US, UK and Australia will go up over the next few years…even though the politicians claim they’re making savage cuts.
(All they’re doing is cutting the spending growth rate, not the nominal rate. In other words, if the previous forecast was to grow government spending by 5% next year, but it only grows 4.5% they call it a spending cut…even though spending has risen.)
We’re afraid things are the same for Australia.
The Boom is Over, Get Used to a Long Bear Market
Australia has benefited from a decade of the China resources boom. But that boom is over. US and European private spending is falling. And as Europe and the US are China’s two biggest export markets, any problems in those economies will impact China…and therefore Australia.
That’s despite what the mainstream media told you when they claimed Europe is ‘so far away’. That growth was in Asia…where we are. That’s only true if Americans and Europeans kept spending.
The problem facing Australia over the next few years is the problem that the US and Europe face now. How to pay for an expensive welfare system when tax revenues fall?
The answer will be to look to Japan, Europe and the US… print more money and have the central bank buy the government’s debt.
Anyone who thinks Australia is different due to the lower levels of government debt is kidding themselves. It only takes a few years of budget deficits and suddenly the government and taxpayer are running just to stand still.
So, far from being an exception, Japan is more like the blue-print for governments and central bankers everywhere. Get ready for this bear market to last another 18 years…at least.
Cheers,
Kris.
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10 Jun 2012, 10:54 AM
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- Kris Sayce
- 10 Jun 2012, 09:51 AM
How This Bear Market Could Last Another 18 Years… Just Like Japan’s
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Japan has a shrinking population. Australia has a rapidly growing population.
Japan is fearful and restrictive of immigration. Australia encourages immigration.
Japan does not have masses of cheaply accessible mineral resources to export to a voracious market. Australia has an abundance of these.
Kris Sayce descended into fantasy land with this article.
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10 Jun 2012, 11:11 AM
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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Japan has a shrinking population. Australia has a rapidly growing population. Japan is fearful and restrictive of immigration. Australia encourages immigration. Japan does not have masses of cheaply accessible mineral resources to export to a voracious market. Australia has an abundance of these. Kris Sayce descended into fantasy land with this article. Japan has had a huge population for ages. It's now about 130 million.
Australia doesn't encourage immigration. Most people don't really want them here. Our leaders do.
Most people don't get anything from mining.
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Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
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10 Jun 2012, 04:47 PM
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- Kris Sayce
- 10 Jun 2012, 09:51 AM
It has been a rough time for Japanese stock investors.
But not necessarily such a rough time for the Japanese.
Real GDP per capita has risen over the period, and the money that the Japanese have now buys a hell of a lot more assets than it bought in 1989.
Japan is unique in that you can have a rising GDP per capita and still have a falling nominal GDP.
Also, the chart looks a little different if you take into account that the Yen has appreciated more than 20% over the period since the peak of asset prices in 1989.
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10 Jun 2012, 05:20 PM
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Japan has had a huge population for ages. It's now about 130 million.
Australia doesn't encourage immigration. Most people don't really want them here. Our leaders do.
Most people don't get anything from mining. No, its the property speculators who own cow paddocks who want immigration. They wish to get rich engaging in their one great talent, sitting on their arse!
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The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!! You are no longer customer, you are property!!!
Don't be SAUCY with me Bernaisse
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10 Jun 2012, 05:31 PM
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No, its the property speculators who own cow paddocks who want immigration. They wish to get rich engaging in their one great talent, sitting on their arse! But their bum sweat will trickle down into our wallets won't it?
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Frank Castle is a liar and a criminal. He will often deliberately take people out of context and use straw man arguments.
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10 Jun 2012, 07:50 PM
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Most people don't get anything from mining.
this one comment shows how great a fool you are moops.
most people don't get anything DIRECTLY from most of the industries in australia, that doesn't mean they aren't doing anything to support a moocher like yourself.
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10 Jun 2012, 08:16 PM
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this one comment shows how great a fool you are moops.
most people don't get anything DIRECTLY from most of the industries in australia, that doesn't mean they aren't doing anything to support a moocher like yourself. One might mooch a few dollars but on the whole it's a loss. Go and tell how much better exporters are doing thanks to the high dollar. You have no capacity for grey areas. You shouldn't be speaking until you have passed the status of pissy grasshopper idiot.
Go and tell the small businesses in Moranbah after they've had to close down because they couldn't afford to employ anyone because the rents were too high in the area and nobody could afford to work for minimum wage.
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12 Jun 2012, 07:07 PM
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IMF seeks ‘powerful’ easing from Bank of JapanBy Chris Oliver, MarketWatch HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — The International Monetary Fund said Tuesday the Bank of Japan should pursue “powerful monetary easing” to increase the chance of meeting its 1% inflation goal by 2014, according to a statement published on the website of the Washington-based agency. Japan could substantially expand its asset purchase program in an effort to drive down lending rates to help achieve the inflation goal, the IMF said in the concluding statement, following its annual consultation mission. Researchers say they've found a way to make people eat less-by fooling their minds. What you eat may not be the same as what you see in Japan. It also urged the Japanese central bank to boost purchases of corporate bonds, equities, and highly-rated securitized loans to small- and medium-enterprises. In addition, it called for the BOJ to broaden its asset-purchases to include Japanese government bonds of more than three years in maturity, as well to be more publicly forthcoming with its asset purchases in an effort to raise inflation expectations. In a separate section of the report, the IMF said Japan should implement a consumption tax of at least 15%, higher than the current proposals of a 10% tax, as part of efforts to improve the nation’s fiscal health. Read more: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-seeks-powerful-easing-from-bank-of-japan-2012-06-12?siteid=rss&rss=1
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Japan has serious problems with its immigration system. The US is going down the same path, but Australia is on the right track.
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Immigration lessons for the U.S. from around the world
Fareed Zakaria looks at how the immigration systems work – and don't work – in Japan, Europe, Canada and the U.S. in the TV special: "Global Lessons: The GPS Roadmap for Making Immigration Work" which aired on CNN on Sunday, June 10. Watch on CNN International on Saturday, June 16, at 4 a.m. and 9 p.m. ET
Immigrants founded America hundreds of years ago, coming to the promised land in search of freedom and opportunity, in pursuit of the American dream. Today, many Americans see immigrants as a danger to that dream. They worry that immigrants are taking their jobs, using government services and changing the country's national identity. The average American believes that 39% of the U.S. population was born abroad. The real figure is 13%, still the highest level since 1920. Related: How much do you know about U.S. immigration? Immigration is divisive, a wedge issue in this election year. But most Americans (73%) agree that the government is doing a poor job of managing it. So, how should the U.S. handle immigration? Does anyone else do it better? What can the U.S. learn from successes – and possible mistakes – from other countries? Let’s look at three examples: Japan, Europe and Canada. JAPAN: A CAUTIONARY TALE Japan has one of the strictest immigration policies in the world and has historically been closed off to outsiders. It has a foreign population of less than 2% - six times smaller than the percentage of the U.S. But what are the effects of keeping foreigners out? Japan is facing an alarming labor shortage, says Robert Guest, the business editor of The Economist and author of "Borderless Economics." Japan’s current population is around a 127 million. It’s on pace to be just 90 million by 2050, a drop-off of almost one-third. The nation is also aging. Almost one in four people are 65 or older – making Japan the oldest country on earth. Guest says there’s a solution to the labor shortage: open the borders and invite more immigrants. But that idea has hurdles. “They don't have the idea that you can become Japanese,” says Guest. “And they don't have the idea that you can solve some of the country's chronic labor problems by importing foreign hands.” In its health care sector, for example, Japan is estimated to be short almost 900,000 workers 2025. It started to invite foreign nurses, and since 2008 almost 600 have come to Japan. But only 66 have passed Japan’s notoriously difficult nursing proficiency exam, which requires an expertise in written Japanese. Japan’s health ministry has made the test easier, adding some English translations, but critics say it’s still unreasonable. “It should be good enough that they are able to communicate verbally with people and that they are able to read the words they need to know for the tools of their trade,” says Guest. “It worked perfectly well in other countries.” And it’s not just foreign workers who might run into obstacles. In some cases, it’s immigrants who have been living in Japan for decades. In 1990, facing a labor shortage, Japan gave ethnic Japanese from South America long-term residence status, filling gaps in its workforce. Japanese-Brazilians filled manufacturing jobs and became the third largest minority in Japan. But in 2009, with unemployment running high, Japan actually offered money to them to leave the country – $3,000 for each worker to cover travel expenses. And the flight was essentially a one-way ticket – anyone who took the offer couldn’t come back to Japan with the residence status they once had. The government says it was only trying to help unemployed Japanese-Brazilians. They’ve stopped offering the deal and are reconsidering the residence status of those who took the money. So if Japan won’t let in immigrants, what is it doing about its labor shortage? It’s encouraging families to have more children, giving them $165 a month for each child. But that hasn’t been enough to inspire a growth spurt. EUROPEAN UNION: WORK IN PROGRESS Europe faces a similar demographic crisis as Japan, but it’s trying a more open approach to immigration. It’s easy to forget that the European Union itself is one of the most ambitious migration experiments in history. Half a billion people are allowed to roam freely within the EU’s borders. Many predicted that swarms of people from poorer nations like Poland and Romania would move to rich countries like Germany and France. That never happened – only 3% of working-age EU citizens live in a different EU country. But the EU has not dealt well with immigrants from outside its borders. There’s been a nasty political backlash – with anti-immigrant parties thriving in Greece, the Netherlands and France. Rather than rejecting these extremists, Europe’s mainstream politicians have pandered to them. Former French President Nicholas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister David Cameron and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany have all declared that multiculturalism in their countries is a failure. “They all agree multiculturalism is dead,” says Chem Ozdemir, born in Germany to Turkish migrant workers. “It's amazing that they agree on that, but they do not agree when it comes to euro and on other issues.” Ozdemir, now head of Germany’s left-leaning Green Party, became the first ethnic-Turkish member of Parliament at age 28. Now, he helps his nation to answer a very basic question: What does it mean to be German? “Can you be a German and have a head scarf at the same time? Can you be a German and practice Islam at the same time?” Ozdemir says. Jonathan Laurence, author of “The Emancipation of Europe’s Muslims,” is hopeful on Islam’s place in Europe. In a GPS guest post this week, Laurence writes: The key development is that as the proportion of Muslims of foreign nationality residing in Europe decreases – because the number of native-born Muslims is growing – Europe’s democratic political institutions are increasingly kicking in. For decades, the absence of integration policy allowed foreign governments and transnational movements to capture the religious and political interests of this new minority. This wasn’t multiculturalism so much as indifference. The series of terrorist attacks against Western capitals from 2001-2005, however, in combination with high unemployment and educational under-performance, ended Europeans’ hands-off approach. After leaving them outside domestic institutions for decades, governments gradually took ownership of their Muslim populations. Authorities began to treat Islam as a domestic religion and encouraged Muslims to embrace national citizenship. In Germany, for example, the government has met with Muslim leaders at an annual German Islam conference since 2006, in an effort to better integrate Muslims with the rest of the population. Germany and others are certainly making strides, but throughout Europe, there are still obstacles to immigrants’ inclusion. So, is there any nation that’s getting immigration right? CANADA: GETTING IT RIGHT If Japan’s strict immigration policy serves as a cautionary tale and Europe’s experiment is still a work in progress, then take a look at Canada – a nation with more foreign-born per capita than the United States. Canada may not have the cache the U.S. does – but it holds great appeal for would-be immigrants, says The Economist’s Guest. “Canada offers many of the same things that America does – a very high standard of living, the rule of law, peace, safety,” he says. To determine whom it should let in to live and work, Canada uses a point system. You don't even need a job or employer, just skills. Applicants are awarded points for proficiency in education, languages and job experience. Just why is Canada so ready to accept immigrants with open arms? Because it has to be. The nation is sparsely populated, has a low birth rate, and needs immigrants for population growth – and economic growth. In Canada, almost two-thirds of permanent visas last year were given for economic needs – Canada's economic needs, that is. The country brings in the majority of foreigners to fill labor holes. Only 22% of its immigration was for family reasons: reuniting mothers with children, brothers with sisters, grandparents with grandchildren. In the U.S., the opposite is true. Only 13% of green cards last year were doled out for economic reasons, while two-thirds were for family reunions. When Nahed Nenshi became the first Muslim mayor of a major Canadian city in 2010, he shattered Calgary's "redneck" stereotype. “When I was running for office, it was only people who were not from here who said ‘Whoa, is Calgary ready for a mayor like that?’” he says. “The people in Calgary just said, ‘Ah, it's a kid from the East End. We know him.’"
Canada’s real challenge, says Nenshi, is ensuring the economic and social integration of immigrants once they are living in the country. “It's not about burkas and kirpans. It's about saying to an engineer who was trained in Iran or China, how can we get you working as an engineer instead of a janitor as quickly as possible?” he says. “These are very serious challenges. And we haven't got it right. But I would much prefer we focus our energies there rather than on these meaningless culture war discussions that occasionally crop up ... because those don't make a difference in people's lives.” The public and Parliament in Canada generally support continued immigration. “Immigration is unambiguously good for the economy. We know that those folks come, they invest here, they create jobs, they work here,” says Nenshi. “There's not much of a policy debate on that in Canada." While the prime minister of Great Britain, the former president of France and the chancellor of Germany have all declared that in their context multiculturalism has failed, that's not so in Canada, says Nenshi. “I'm not here to question their reality. It's their reality,” he says. “But I think it's important for us Canadians, and particularly for Calgarians, to really tell a story loudly and proudly about a place where it works, where diversity works, where multiculturalism works, where pluralism works. It ain’t rocket science.” FUTURE IN THE U.S. Canada and also Australia now have smart immigration policies that take in talented foreigners who have skills the country needs and determination and drive to succeed. As a result, they have transformed themselves into immigrant countries, with a foreign-born population that is higher than the United States. Australia, which only 15 years ago had strong strains of nativism and xenophobia dominating its political culture, now has more than a quarter of its population as foreign born – double America’s share – and is thriving because of the economic growth and cultural diversity. Canada's foreign-born population is almost 20%; the U.S. is 13%, just a little higher than Great Britain's. Related: Why American needs immigration The United States is not the world's only – nor the largest – immigrant society anymore. And that will have consequences economically, culturally and in other ways, says Fareed Zakaria: It's a sad state, because the U.S. remains a model for the world. It is the global melting pot, the place where a universal nation is being created. We may not do immigration better than everyone else anymore, but we do assimilation better than anyone else. People from all over the world come to this country and, almost magically, become Americans. They - I should say we - come to the country with drive and dedication and over time develop a fierce love for America. This infusion of talent, hard work and patriotism has kept the country vital for the past two centuries. And if we can renew it, it will keep America vital in the 21st century as well. What do you think? What can the U.S. learn from other countries' immigration policies? Share your comments below and check out some past responses. Fareed Zakaria takes an in-depth look at Japan, Europe and Canada's immigration and explores possible U.S. solutions by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach in the TV special: "Global Lessons: The GPS Roadmap for Making Immigration Work" on CNN at 8 p.m. ET on Sunday, June 10.
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