I don't think the NBN is going to be some remote workers' paradise. Cable is good enough for that and it hasn't happened.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for the NBN, even if it's just to piss msm consuming idiots off.
Yeah all those properties look pretty remote. I still say 50% off is the right price.
Sorry, I run software companies, and have worked all over the world doing so with first hand experience of what high speed NBN can do, specifically upload speeds - you are talking straight out your arse.
Further the properties I linked five minutes from the Hobart CBD and the Yarra Valley - Victoria's premiere food and wine region, 30 minutes from the original property in Ivanhoe.
No point in just arguing for the sake of it - you have no idea about what the NBN will do for business vis-a-vis someone like myself who specialises in software built specifically to take advantage of it for telecommunitng, business to business communications etc (having spent time in Global headquarters of places like Bank of America with their own satellite linked round table conference rooms I can assure you, with every fiber in my body, the NBN will make a difference beyond anything you can imagine to business and the way people work) , you apparently did not even bother to look where these properties were - you appear to be posting to WIN rather than INFORM and DISCUSS.
There is some reluctance by employers to allow employees to work from home. If you're sitting at your desk in the office then there's a perception you're working, at home you might be drinking.
it's much easier for an employer to monitor an employees performance if they're not in the office, no excuses, just results. I'm far more productive when i work from home (as long as i work).
This is not even a cultural Australian issue as many people I know work from where ever they want.
There is some reluctance by employers to allow employees to work from home. If you're sitting at your desk in the office then there's a perception you're working, at home you might be drinking.
it's much easier for an employer to monitor an employees performance if they're not in the office, no excuses, just results. I'm far more productive when i work from home (as long as i work).
This is not even a cultural Australian issue as many people I know work from where ever they want.
It is a sector issue.
There is a huge saving on floor rental costs, furniture, telephones, coffee, airconditioning, cleaning, etc etc etc for businesses that make the leap from traditional offices to home work. They can put staff on contracts with allowances for internet and phone useage, and then monitor their performance very easily.
I think that it will be the dominant form of office and administrative work in the very near future. I would be very surprised if there are not yet cloud computing solutions allowing even smaller business to migrate to that model.
Even sales can be conducted via the internet when speeds in Australia lift, and genuine 3d images are available online. We are only scraping the surface of what is already achieveable.
Any expressed market opinion is my own and is not to be taken as financial advice
(having spent time in Global headquarters of places like Bank of America with their own satellite linked round table conference rooms I can assure you, with every fiber in my body, the NBN will make a difference beyond anything you can imagine to business and the way people work) , you apparently did not even bother to look where these properties were - you appear to be posting to WIN rather than INFORM and DISCUSS.
The REAL question though: is 100Mb/s "high speed". It's about as fast as Estonia, but a LOT slower than S.Korea, Japan or Hong Kong. Is it fast enough for decent teleconferencing? Is it synchronous or asynchronous?
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Further the properties I linked five minutes from the Hobart CBD
Only suburb near Hobart that ACTUALLY has NBN is Midway Point (http://nbnco.com.au/rollout/rollout-map.html) and that is further than five minutes from Hobart CBD. I know work has commenced in Hobart, but for NBN Co, saying work has commenced means practically nothing. There is no ETA, no update and no visibility on what they do. If the NatLib coalition get in they could can the whole project.
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No point in just arguing for the sake of it - you have no idea about what the NBN will do for business vis-a-vis someone like myself who specialises in software built specifically to take advantage of it for telecommunitng, business to business communications etc
I've worked for companies with whole wall teleconferencing and I know the difference it can make. My concerns about the NBN are as follows. 1) The federal government has already built a national telecommunications network once before. It was called Telecom, and it sucked shit. Overpriced, shoddy materials, corruption from top to bottom. 2) Generally stuff built by Australians sucks shit. If we had Korean Telecom and NTC here doing the rollout it would make me more confident that the final result doesn't blow chunks, as it is, I give it 50/50. 3) The rollout is proceeding at a snails pace. From the trial rollout in 2010 (in Tasmania) to present day, less than 10,000 premises are connected. The second release sites (of approximately 54,000 residences) were commenced in June last year and are still yet to complete. At that pace it will be 120 years before the majority of households are connected. 4) Political risk. The NatLibs have long been critical of the NBN. Understandably so, their whole party is predicated on Banana Republic economics in Real Estate and state moralising. At the snails pace the NBN is being rolled out, there is a real risk that the Catholic Party could kill the project before it even reaches 100,000 households, even more so if the country goes into a deep recession.
On the other hand, for those of us who really can do business/work/consulting over high speed broadband, places like Midway Point, Kiama Downs and Armidale are starting to look very attractive price wise. You can get a large block and a very nice house for around 300k and on the double plus good side, you get away from the Sydneyites.
There is a huge saving on floor rental costs, furniture, telephones, coffee, airconditioning, cleaning, etc etc etc for businesses that make the leap from traditional offices to home work. They can put staff on contracts with allowances for internet and phone useage, and then monitor their performance very easily.
I think that it will be the dominant form of office and administrative work in the very near future. I would be very surprised if there are not yet cloud computing solutions allowing even smaller business to migrate to that model.
Even sales can be conducted via the internet when speeds in Australia lift, and genuine 3d images are available online. We are only scraping the surface of what is already achieveable.
I've done lots of working from home. It can be effective, but the communication can be hard. There are many times when I want to just chat about something, and this is harder, especially when many of the people I work with aren't native English speakers. But I've never ever thought of drinking or anything else like that when I'm working. It just wouldn't seem right.
Whenever you have an argument with someone, there comes a moment where you must ask yourself, whatever your political persuasion, 'am I the Nazi?'
Working from home can be quite lonely if you are not predisposed to it. Social interactions play a role in keeping people motivated and inspired.
Hmmm - so what you are saying is that all of us who regularly contribute here probably work from home, and come here to interact largely because we are bored.
Sad isn't it?
Any expressed market opinion is my own and is not to be taken as financial advice
Hmmm - so what you are saying is that all of us who regularly contribute here probably work from home, and come here to interact largely because we are bored.
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