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The party is well and truly over - GFC Act II has arrived; Get Ready: We’re About To Have Another 2008-Style Crisis
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The party is well and truly over. GFC Act II has arrived.

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Get Ready: We’re About To Have Another 2008-Style Crisis

Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 8:30 am, by cmartenson

Well, my hat is off to the global central planners for averting the next stage of the unfolding financial crisis for as long as they have. I guess there’s some solace in having had a nice break between the events of 2008/09 and today, which afforded us all the opportunity to attend to our various preparations and enjoy our lives.

Alas, all good things come to an end, and a crisis rooted in ‘too much debt’ with a nice undercurrent of ‘persistently high and rising energy costs’ was never going to be solved by providing cheap liquidity to the largest and most reckless financial institutions. And it has not.
Forestalled is Not Foregone

The same sorts of signals that we had in 2008 are once again traipsing across my market monitors. Not precisely the same, of course, but with enough similarities that they rhyme loudly. Whereas in 2008 we saw breakdowns in the credit spreads of major financial institutions, this time we are seeing the same dynamic in the sovereign debt of the weaker European nation states.

Greece, as expected and predicted here, is a right proper mess and will have to leave the euro monetary system if it is to have any chance at recovery going forward. Yes, all those endless meetings and rumors and final agreements painfully hammered out by eurocrats over the past year are almost certainly going to be tossed, and additional losses are going to be foisted upon the hapless holders of Greek debt. My prediction is that within a year Greece will be back on the drachma, perhaps by the end of this year (2012).

Greek default spectre turns material

The weekend Greek revolt against the austerity measures imposed on its economy in return for eurozone funding has elevated the prospect of a Greek default on its debts or a chaotic exit from the eurozone.

The collapse in support for the mainstream parties that had reluctantly accepted the austerity program and the vehement opposition to the measures by the radical left party that finished the runner up in the weekend’s elections has made it almost impossible for a coalition to be formed that would persevere with the program.

It is likely new elections will have to be held next month but given the degree to which Greeks have protested against the harsh eurozone prescriptions – and the 20 per cent shrinkage in GDP and 20 per cent-plus unemployment that has accompanied them – it is improbable that Greece will continue with the reforms it agreed in return for the next $300 billion tranche of eurozone funding.

If it does walk away from that commitment there will be chaos in Greece and, to a lesser extent, elsewhere. Greece would inevitably default on its debts and could be forced to quit the eurozone.

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There really is no choice for Greece but to leave the euro, and the sooner, the better. Even then, there is a lot of hardship coming their way. But in my estimation, that’s better than the imposed austerity that is a guaranteed torture chamber. The institutions that avoided taking losses on their Greek debt on the first pass through, due to their preferred status in the process (the ECB among them), are almost certainly going to eat big losses this time, perhaps a full 100% of them.

Leaving the euro is going to be quite a process, and the ripple effects are going to be large and somewhat unpredictable. I found this description of what will happen within Greece and its banking system to be well on the mark:

The instant before Greece exits it (somehow) introduces a new currency (the New Drachma or ND, say). Assume for simplicity that at the moment of its introduction the exchange rate between the ND and the euro is 1 for 1. This currency then immediately depreciates sharply vis-à-vis the euro (by 40 percent seems a reasonable point estimate). All pre-existing financial instruments and contracts under Greek law are redenominated into ND at the 1 for 1 exchange rate.

What this means is that, as soon as the possibility of a Greek exit becomes known, there will be a bank run in Greece and denial of further funding to any and all entities, private or public, through instruments and contracts under Greek law. Holders of existing euro-denominated contracts under Greek law want to avoid their conversion into ND and the subsequent sharp depreciation of the ND. The Greek banking system would be destroyed even before Greece had left the euro area.

There would remain many contracts and financial instruments involving Greek private and public entities denominated in euro (or other currencies, like the US dollar) that are not under Greek law. […] Widespread defaults seem certain.

Euro area membership is a two-sided commitment. If Greece fails to keep that commitment and exits, the remaining members also and equally fail to keep their commitment. This is not just a morality tale. It has highly practical implications. When Greece can exit, any country can exit.

As soon as Greece has exited, we expect the markets will focus on the country or countries most likely to exit next from the euro area. Any non-captive/financially sophisticated owner of a deposit account in that country (or in those countries) will withdraw his deposits from banks in countries deemed at risk - even a small risk - of exit.

Any non-captive depositor who fears a non-zero risk of the future introduction of a New Escudo, a New Punt, a New Peseta or a New Lira (to name but the most obvious candidates) would withdraw his deposits from the countries involved at the drop of a hat and deposit them in the handful of countries likely to remain in the euro area no matter what - Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Austria and Finland.

The ‘broad periphery’ and ‘soft core’ countries deemed at any risk of exit could of course start issuing deposits under English or New York law in an attempt to stop a deposit run, but even that might not be sufficient. Who wants to have their deposit tied up in litigation for months or years?

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The Greek banking system will be destroyed immediately upon Greece’s exit from the euro, but the banking system there is already all but dead anyway. Best just to sweep the floor clean and start over. The idea is easy enough to understand; if your bank is about to go under, it is best to get your money out before that happens.

The only mystery to me is why so many people have left their money in the Greek banks this long. I suppose they were waiting for a clearer signal? Well, it would seem that the signal has now been sent and received:

Greek Depositors Withdrew $898 Million From Banks Monday

Greek depositors withdrew €700 million ($898 million) from the country's banks on Monday, fueling fears of a bank run amid the growing political disarray.

With deposits falling, Greek banks become even more dependent on the European Central Bank to meet their funding needs, exposing the central bank to potentially huge losses if Greece leaves the euro area.

Monday's deposit withdrawal far outpaced Greek banks' steady decline in deposits since the start of the country's debt crisis in 2009, as depositors withdraw cash and transfer funds overseas. In the past two years, deposit outflows have generally averaged between €2 billion and €3 billion a month, though in January they topped €5 billion.

The latest data from the Greece's central bank show that total deposits held by domestic residents and companies stood at €165.36 billion in March.

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Again, the real mystery to me is who still has 165 billion euros in Greek banks at this stage of the game? Also a mystery is why Greece has not yet imposed a withdrawal moratorium and capital controls? It is only a matter of time, perhaps days, before they do.

Of course, it is the contagion effect that most worries the market, because the same dynamic of utter insolvency leading to the intractable nature of Greece’s dilemma applies to Spain, Portugal, and Italy.

Indeed, the market is already adjusting to this possibility, as evidenced by the spikes in the yields of those country’s bonds:

Contagion Fears Hit Markets

LONDON - Investors battered European stocks, dumped the bonds of Spain and Italy, and bid the euro down against the dollar Monday after the collapse of weekend coalition talks in Greece edged that country closer to an exit from the euro zone.

The sweeping market action dealt a blow to hopes that the damage of a Greek exit, should it occur, could be comfortably contained.

In the market carnage, Greek stocks fell to two-decade lows, and Spanish bond yields leapt to levels not seen since the panic of last November. Shares of a big Spanish lender dropped 8.9% on the Madrid bourse, pulling the benchmark index down 2.7%. The Italian market also fell 2.7%, and the euro slid to $1.2845 late Monday in London, its lowest level in four months.

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The worry and the carnage are both running deep. And they should. Everything is now interlinked to such a degree that there is no possible way for a run on Greek banks or continued declines in the value of sovereign debt to be anything other than exceptionally destructive.

Everybody owes everybody, and there’s not enough productive economy to mask the insolvency of the system any longer.

We saw this as Spain’s sovereign yields vaulted, Spanish bank shares plunged, a not-so-happy linkage courtesy of the LTRO funding which enabled (and encouraged) Spanish banks to load up on Spanish debt. A virtuous circle morphed into a vicious spiral, each element weakening the other all the way down.

That the US stock market is only down less than 5% from recent highs is a testament to the power of the liquidity that the Fed and US banking system have directed at keeping things elevated. However, this cannot last, at least not without another big quantitative-easing (QE) injection from the Fed. Without such an infusion, I am calling for another 2008-2009-style market rout of at least -30% but possibly as much as -50%.
QE, stat!

The reason we need another QE injection is that the same dynamic of debt destruction is again stalking the markets. As expected, the Fed has been waiting for a clear signal that it is time for more thin-air money, and again they are going to wait too long to prevent more damage from occurring.

This time I am expecting a coordinated central bank action that will involve most or all of the major central banks of the OECD: Japan, UK, US, and Europe.

One day, we will wake up to find some global message about the need for a coordinated response to a major crisis, and each of the central banks will be issuing some massive new amount of thin-air money. Of course the programs will be called something fancy that will require shortening to an acronym and will involve buying some form of debt (sovereign debt, but maybe also bank debt), and we’ll track this via central-bank balance-sheet expansion.

Perhaps we’ll see this line go up a little steeper, or perhaps the same trajectory will be maintained a little longer:

Regardless, more printing is on the way, because the alternative is the utter collapse of the entire Western banking system. And quite probably a few governments, too.

To me, that is an unthinkable outcome, and one that I have every faith will be avoided at any every cost. It is the main reason that I am quite content to hold onto all of my gold at this juncture. Anybody selling physical gold here is either broke (and needs the money) or is just not paying attention.

To drive the point home, consider this picture posted on Zerohedge taken from a German television production purported taken of the Ministry of Finance in Athens. A picture is worth a thousand words:

(Source)

By the time the Ministry of Finance is storing records in garbage bags and shopping carts, perhaps, just maybe, one might become a little concerned about loaning money to the Greek government. One hopes.
If You Think Greece is Bad

Greece, of course, is tiny compared to Spain or Italy. The situation in Spain -- which is big enough to matter -- is truly dire, very large, and getting worse.

Spain has been playing fast and loose with the numbers, and that fact has now been revealed to the world. It’s not a pretty picture.

Spain Underplaying Bank Losses Faces Ireland Fate

May 10, 2012

Spain is underestimating potential losses by its banks, ignoring the cost of souring residential mortgages, as it seeks to avoid an international rescue like the one Ireland needed to shore up its financial system.

The government has asked lenders to increase provisions for bad debt by 54 billion euros ($70 billion) to 166 billion euros. That’s enough to cover losses of about 50 percent on loans to property developers and construction firms, according to the Bank of Spain. There wouldn’t be anything left for defaults on more than 1.4 trillion euros of home loans and corporate debt.

Taking those into account, banks would need to increase provisions by as much as five times what the government says, or 270 billion euros, according to estimates by the Centre for European Policy Studies, a Brussels-based research group. Plugging that hole would increase Spain’s public debt by almost 50 percent or force it to seek a bailout, following in the footsteps of Ireland, Greece and Portugal.

“How can you only talk about one type of real estate lending when more and more loans are going bad everywhere in the economy?” said Patrick Lee, a London-based analyst covering Spanish banks for Royal Bank of Canada. “Ireland managed to turn its situation around after recognizing losses much more aggressively and thus needed a bailout. I don’t see how Spain can do it without outside support.”

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And this is just the losses that Spanish banks face on their real-estate portfolios. They are also now facing losses on all the Spanish sovereign debt that they bought with their LTRO funding as well. Very simply, Spain now needs a massive rescue, and soon.

Meanwhile German citizens are all done with helping their southern neighbors. Merkel has used up all of her political capital on the rescues performed to date, and it is far from clear that any more help is politically doable here. The only way that I can see such help coming is under some terms other than drawing upon the savings of Germany’s citizens. Printing, perhaps, but even that is a dicey political proposition here.

If Spain drops here, then you can just set an egg timer for when Italy will go. And then France. The dominoes will rapidly fall from there.
Why I Am Nervous These Days

In describing JPMorgan’s recent $2 billion (or is it $20 billion…or more?) trading losses and Jamie Dimon’s (the CEO of JPM) awkward explanation of how certain hedging operations went wrong, the author of this next piece asks the obvious question:

Does Jamie Dimon Even Know What Hedging Risk Is?

But wait a minute? If you’re hedging risk then the bets you make will be cancelled against your existing balance sheet. In other words, if your hedges turn out to be worthless then your initial portfolio should have gained, and if your initial portfolio falls, then your hedges will activate, limiting your losses. That is how hedging risk works. If the loss on your hedges is not being cancelled-out by gains in your initial portfolio then by definition you are not hedging risk. You are speculating.

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We still don’t know the exact dimensions of JPM’s losses here (my expectation is that more bad news will follow soon enough), but we can be sure that the big banks have not learned from the mistakes of the past and are still engaged in risky practices involving derivatives.

Whatever JPM was up to (and I am still not entirely clear on what that was), it was not classic hedging, which serves to minimize losses, but something far more speculative.

The reason this gives me such cause for concern is that it once again exposes a small portion of the derivative monster that will certainly be awakened when the European situation goes into full meltdown over the Greek, then Spanish, the Portuguese, then Italian situations.

While derivatives are, in theory, a zero-sum game, and therefore could, in theory, be forgiven and forgotten in a pinch, the reality is that they’ve been used to pretend that risk did not exist and therefore losses don’t exist.

The ugly truth here is that we are at the tail end of a most unfortunate credit bubble -- four decades of global excess by the OECD countries -- and there are massive losses to account for. Just as the offsetting counterparties involved in the subprime CDO and CDS mortgage crisis did not zero out because the losses they were allegedly papering over were all too real, the same will prove true of the derivative paper allegedly covering sovereign and corporate debts.

Remember, the biggest holder of derivatives is the company that just demonstrated that it doesn’t really understand the concept of hedging.

(Source)

Overall derivatives, especially interest-rate-linked derivatives, have increased by over $100 trillion since the crisis began. As JPM just evidenced, and as hinted at by the interminable hand-wringing over allowing Greece’s paltry $78 billion in credit-default swaps to be triggered, real dangers lurk here.

I wish I could analyze the situation better than the rest of the crowd that either screams catastrophe looms or coos that everything is safe, but I cannot. The situation is too opaque, too convoluted, and too complex to tease apart. I simply don’t know what the true nature of the risk really is -- and the truth is, nobody really does. You might as well ask these analysts to tell you the exact size and shape of the first ten waves that will hit Laguna Beach exactly one year from now beginning at 12:05 p.m.

Instead, what I can offer to you is the idea that instead of reducing (let alone eliminating) risk, all that derivatives have done is mask risk. This means that whatever losses are resident in a system with four decades of debt-fueled malinvestment and overconsumption are still there just waiting to be realized.

It is this certainty that the losses remain, the risk is masked, and the bets have only grown larger that makes me very nervous these days as I contemplate the possible implications and repercussions of a Greek exit from the euro.


http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/get-ready-were-about-have-another-2008-style-crisis/75466
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17 May 2012, 10:43 AM
Well for Chris the world has indeed crashed. His book has been discounted by 34% down to just $18.45

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047092764X?ie=UTF8&tag=chrismartenso-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=047092764X

He should have seen it coming.

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17 May 2012, 11:24 AM
Well for Chris the world has indeed crashed. His book has been discounted by 34% down to just $18.45

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047092764X?ie=UTF8&tag=chrismartenso-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=047092764X

He should have seen it coming.
Hi Peter.

How is that U.S. housing recovery comming you predicted two years ago?
Maybe you should write a book as well.

How we all feeling about China this morning? Our bubble still going to grow on top of that rapidly deflating one?
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17 May 2012, 01:19 PM
peter fraser
17 May 2012, 11:24 AM
Well for Chris the world has indeed crashed. His book has been discounted by 34% down to just $18.45

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/047092764X?ie=UTF8&tag=chrismartenso-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=047092764X

He should have seen it coming.
Hi Peter.

How is that U.S. housing recovery comming you predicted two years ago?
Maybe you should write a book as well.

How we all feeling about China this morning? Our bubble still going to grow on top of that rapidly deflating one?
Hi rage-man,

I'm feeling pretty good today. The US housing recovery is happening although I admit that it is slow, and I'm OK about China today.

Do you know how many people have asked me those questions over the last four years?

Cheers....

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17 May 2012, 01:33 PM
Hi rage-man,

I'm feeling pretty good today. The US housing recovery is happening although I admit that it is slow, and I'm OK about China today.

Do you know how many people have asked me those questions over the last four years?

Cheers....
USA is a depression yes depression, there is no housing recovery. It is almost anarchy. There are 50 million people on food stamps. There will never be a USA recovery. Read the united nations agenda 21. America will be forced to live in FEMA style camps when most the population starts starving. There is plenty of evidence over the past 2 years that the government sees this coming. We are so lucky (in this moment now) that we are completely naive to the goings on around the world. As I have stated before to draw conclusions from Murdoch owned media is being as gullible as the Germans were in ww2. Once you see the bank run occur in Greece you know at that point the worlds economic system is on the verge of a major structural change. Then do the exercise of viewing YouTube on the amount of the most powerful leaders in the world proclaiming over the past 20 years that it is time for a new world order, a new world currency. Time will tell.
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17 May 2012, 02:41 PM
peter fraser
17 May 2012, 01:33 PM
Hi rage-man,

I'm feeling pretty good today. The US housing recovery is happening although I admit that it is slow, and I'm OK about China today.

Do you know how many people have asked me those questions over the last four years?

Cheers....
USA is a depression yes depression, there is no housing recovery. It is almost anarchy. There are 50 million people on food stamps. There will never be a USA recovery. Read the united nations agenda 21. America will be forced to live in FEMA style camps when most the population starts starving. There is plenty of evidence over the past 2 years that the government sees this coming. We are so lucky (in this moment now) that we are completely naive to the goings on around the world. As I have stated before to draw conclusions from Murdoch owned media is being as gullible as the Germans were in ww2. Once you see the bank run occur in Greece you know at that point the worlds economic system is on the verge of a major structural change. Then do the exercise of viewing YouTube on the amount of the most powerful leaders in the world proclaiming over the past 20 years that it is time for a new world order, a new world currency. Time will tell.
Have you bought your AK47 and dugout yet.

TRB recommends Whitecliffs - wherever that is, somewhere in NSW I think. You will need ammo, long life milk, canned food, cigarettes, alcohol, toilet paper, medical supplies, the lot really. Convert your money to gold and trinkets for trading, and some educational material for the kids.

Best of luck...

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17 May 2012, 02:55 PM
Have you bought your AK47 and dugout yet.

TRB recommends Whitecliffs - wherever that is, somewhere in NSW I think. You will need ammo, long life milk, canned food, cigarettes, alcohol, toilet paper, medical supplies, the lot really. Convert your money to gold and trinkets for trading, and some educational material for the kids.

Best of luck...
Your best advice yet Pete ;)
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17 May 2012, 02:55 PM
Have you bought your AK47 and dugout yet.

TRB recommends Whitecliffs - wherever that is, somewhere in NSW I think. You will need ammo, long life milk, canned food, cigarettes, alcohol, toilet paper, medical supplies, the lot really. Convert your money to gold and trinkets for trading, and some educational material for the kids.

Best of luck...
Make sure you read Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's "Lucifer's Hammer". Best instructional text out there, although you do need to extrapolate a bit.

Handy tip from my grandfather, who actually *did* flee civilisation in the 1950s because he was dead sure civilisation as we know was finished:

You can store wheat for decades in concrete-lined galvanised iron tanks. (Or any durable airtight container.) Just before you solder them shut, place a cupful of burning sulpher inside. It will burn the oxygen and turn it into sulpher dioxide.
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17 May 2012, 04:34 PM
peter fraser
17 May 2012, 02:55 PM
Have you bought your AK47 and dugout yet.

TRB recommends Whitecliffs - wherever that is, somewhere in NSW I think. You will need ammo, long life milk, canned food, cigarettes, alcohol, toilet paper, medical supplies, the lot really. Convert your money to gold and trinkets for trading, and some educational material for the kids.

Best of luck...
Make sure you read Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle's "Lucifer's Hammer". Best instructional text out there, although you do need to extrapolate a bit.

Handy tip from my grandfather, who actually *did* flee civilisation in the 1950s because he was dead sure civilisation as we know was finished:

You can store wheat for decades in concrete-lined galvanised iron tanks. (Or any durable airtight container.) Just before you solder them shut, place a cupful of burning sulpher inside. It will burn the oxygen and turn it into sulpher dioxide.
Your grandfather wasn't the only one to do that. In the late 50's the Soviet leader Nikita Kruschev made a speech directed at the USA and allies referred to now as the "we will bury you" speech. He later banged on the pulpit at the UN with his shoe in an angry rant, and constantly threatened anyone who would listen. If anyone spoke out against him he and his supporters would storm out of the UN.

People in the west were shit scared of him. I remember learning that sometime around 1966 the USA and the USSR were to have talks on limiting nuclear weapons - they had to decide on the shape of the table first, a difficult choice, square, rectangular, or round - they were never able to settle on a shape that both sides could agree to so the talks never eventuated.

People were petrified and everyone expected another war. The generation that went through the war dug nuclear shelters in their backyards or in remote locations, and the youth took to the streets to protest, and then they took to dope and LSD.

Either way it was an escape.

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17 May 2012, 02:41 PM
There are 50 million people on food stamps.
people often mention food stamps, but I'm not sure what they are and their significance.

who gets stamps? from who? how can you spend them? etc?

is it government provided welfare that can only be spent on essentials?
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