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Astroturfing Corporate Trolls; Comment Threads and Forums Hijacked
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Topic Started: 28 Mar 2011, 08:30 PM (400 Views)
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28 Mar 2011, 08:30 PM
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This will come as no surprise to those who experience first hand the manic trolling by psychotic bulls on various property fora.
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/02/23/robot-wars/
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Robot Wars
Posted on February 23, 2011 by George
Online astroturfing is more advanced and more automated than we’d imagined.
By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 23rd February 2011
Every month more evidence piles up, suggesting that online comment threads and forums are being hijacked by people who aren’t what they seem to be. The anonymity of the web gives companies and governments golden opportunities to run astroturf operations: fake grassroots campaigns, which create the impression that large numbers of people are demanding or opposing particular policies. This deception is most likely to occur where the interests of companies or governments come into conflict with the interests of the public. For example, there’s a long history of tobacco companies creating astroturf groups to fight attempts to regulate them.
After I last wrote about online astroturfing, in December, I was contacted by a whistleblower. He was part of a commercial team employed to infest internet forums and comment threads on behalf of corporate clients, promoting their causes and arguing with anyone who opposed them. Like the other members of the team, he posed as a disinterested member of the public. Or, to be more accurate, as a crowd of disinterested members of the public: he used 70 personas, both to avoid detection and to create the impression that there was widespread support for his pro-corporate arguments. I’ll reveal more about what he told me when I’ve finished the investigation I’m working on.
But it now seems that these operations are more widespread, more sophisticated and more automated than most of us had guessed. Emails obtained by political hackers from a US cyber-security firm called HB Gary Federal suggest that a remarkable technological armoury is being deployed to drown out the voices of real people.
As the Daily Kos has reported, the emails show that:
- companies now use “persona management software”, which multiplies the efforts of the astroturfers working for them, creating the impression that there’s major support for what a corporation or government is trying to do.
- this software creates all the online furniture a real person would possess: a name, email accounts, web pages and social media. In other words, it automatically generates what look like authentic profiles, making it hard to tell the difference between a virtual robot and a real commentator.
- fake accounts can be kept updated by automatically re-posting or linking to content generated elsewhere, reinforcing the impression that the account holders are real and active.
- human astroturfers can then be assigned these “pre-aged” accounts to create a back story, suggesting that they’ve been busy linking and re-tweeting for months. No one would suspect that they came onto the scene for the first time a moment ago, for the sole purpose of attacking an article on climate science or arguing against new controls on salt in junk food.
- with some clever use of social media, astroturfers can, in the security firm’s words, “make it appear as if a persona was actually at a conference and introduce himself/herself to key individuals as part of the exercise … There are a variety of social media tricks we can use to add a level of realness to all fictitious personas”
But perhaps the most disturbing revelation is this. The US Air Force has been tendering for companies to supply it with persona management software, which will perform the following tasks:
a. Create “10 personas per user, replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent. … Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms.”
b. Automatically provide its astroturfers with “randomly selected IP addresses through which they can access the internet.” [An IP address is the number which identifies someone's computer]. These are to be changed every day, “hiding the existence of the operation.” The software should also mix up the astroturfers’ web traffic with “traffic from multitudes of users from outside the organization. This traffic blending provides excellent cover and powerful deniability.”
c. Create “static IP addresses” for each persona, enabling different astroturfers “to look like the same person over time.” It should also allow “organizations that frequent same site/service often to easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary users as opposed to one organization.”
Software like this has the potential to destroy the internet as a forum for constructive debate. It makes a mockery of online democracy. Comment threads on issues with major commercial implications are already being wrecked by what look like armies of organised trolls – as you can often see on the Guardian’s sites. The internet is a wonderful gift, but it’s also a bonanza for corporate lobbyists, viral marketers and government spin doctors, who can operate in cyberspace without regulation, accountability or fear of detection. So let me repeat the question I’ve put in previous articles, and which has yet to be satisfactorily answered: what should we do to fight these tactics?
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Andrew
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28 Mar 2012, 07:14 AM
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I suspect this post could lead to some fun:
http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/astroturfing-corporate-trolls-are-the-new-spam-20120323-1vo9s.html
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Alex Barton
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16 Apr 2012, 04:56 PM
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Telstra combs websites for complainersApril 16, 2012 - 4:04PM Telstra has 60 people combing social media sites to sniff out people who complain about the company. The telco's chief executive David Thodey said the power of the consumer is greater than ever before and Telstra is playing catch up on customer relations. "We ourselves have about 60 people who monitor every social media site ... and you can imagine what is said about Telstra," he told a Queensland Media Club lunch in Brisbane. Mr Thodey said complaints, such as technicians not showing up or poor network coverage, travelled fast and far with just a click of a mouse. He said Telstra was trying to reach the complainers and help them before the news spreads. Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/business-it/telstra-combs-websites-for-complainers-20120416-1x37u.html#ixzz1sBSaJSf4
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16 Apr 2012, 05:36 PM
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Sounds just like something I have a natural talent for.
Anyone out there want to sponsor me? Chris?
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16 Apr 2012, 09:04 PM
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Sounds just like something I have a natural talent for.
Anyone out there want to sponsor me? Chris? Inclination <> talent
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16 Apr 2012, 09:07 PM
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- 16 Apr 2012, 05:36 PM
Sounds just like something I have a natural talent for.
Anyone out there want to sponsor me? Chris? I'll pay you $2 to piss off.
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16 Apr 2012, 10:48 PM
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I have a strong suspicion that Raveswei and Earthsta are astroturfers working for the real estate vested interests. Their brief appears to be to discredit the bear case by posting as bears, but posting data that is usually made up, error filled, and easily debunked, and to then hurl abuse when they are proved wrong. This has the effect of making all bears look like idiots, and strengthens the bull case. They are quite good at what they do. I wonder if Raveswei is CJ himself? Rav, if you are CJ, then well done - you are doing an excellent job for team bull.
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Shadow's Blog - The Australian Housing Market 1 - Debunking Demographia. Demographia Survey Debunked. Australian housing is not particularly unaffordable by global standards. 2 - USA, Ireland, UK, Spain and Japan Property Bubbles versus Australia. All confirmed property bubbles had one thing in common... a particular house price/income ratio pattern. 3 - Banks can't margin call on residential property unless borrower defaults, because residential property loans are regulated by the NCCP Act 2009. 4 - Housing is the second highest taxed sector of the Australian Economy. Renters don't pay their fair share of tax, and are subsidised by high taxes incurred by homeowners. 5 - Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
Parse: A rep's spare spear pares pears, reaps as per AREPS.
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17 Apr 2012, 07:41 AM
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- 16 Apr 2012, 10:48 PM
I have a strong suspicion that Raveswei and Earthsta are astroturfers working for the real estate vested interests. Their brief appears to be to discredit the bear case by posting as bears, but posting data that is usually made up, error filled, and easily debunked, and to then hurl abuse when they are proved wrong. This has the effect of making all bears look like idiots, and strengthens the bull case. They are quite good at what they do. I wonder if Raveswei is CJ himself? Rav, if you are CJ, then well done - you are doing an excellent job for team bull.
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17 Apr 2012, 09:42 AM
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- 16 Apr 2012, 10:48 PM
I have a strong suspicion that Raveswei and Earthsta are astroturfers working for the real estate vested interests. Their brief appears to be to discredit the bear case by posting as bears, but posting data that is usually made up, error filled, and easily debunked, and to then hurl abuse when they are proved wrong. Totally agree but dont forget the likes of Ted bullshit aka Crazy Dave 289
Quite the trollfest on here these days smearing the forum with monkey poo.
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The T.A.M.P.O.N effect - A NEW whinging bear acronym emerges Timo And Moops Protest Over Nothing
Proof that moops is a simple minded hypocritical turnip
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17 Apr 2012, 11:12 AM
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I have a strong suspicion that Raveswei and Earthsta are astroturfers working for the real estate vested interests. Their brief appears to be to discredit the bear case by posting as bears, but posting data that is usually made up, error filled, and easily debunked, and to then hurl abuse when they are proved wrong.
Totally agree but dont forget the likes of Ted bullshit aka Crazy Dave 289 Quite the trollfest on here these days smearing the forum with monkey poo. Its almost full time for the bulls . Can you feel that Mr Castle , yes you can.........
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17 Apr 2012, 02:58 PM
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- 16 Apr 2012, 05:36 PM
Sounds just like something I have a natural talent for.
Anyone out there want to sponsor me? Chris? do you extract a 100% salary for each sock puppet you create?
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Shadow
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18 Apr 2012, 10:33 PM
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do you extract a 100% salary for each sock puppet you create? No... 50% goes to me, 50% to Frank, and 50% to BearTrap. Anything left over gets split between Strindberg and Frank. The rest goes to BT.
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Shadow's Blog - The Australian Housing Market 1 - Debunking Demographia. Demographia Survey Debunked. Australian housing is not particularly unaffordable by global standards. 2 - USA, Ireland, UK, Spain and Japan Property Bubbles versus Australia. All confirmed property bubbles had one thing in common... a particular house price/income ratio pattern. 3 - Banks can't margin call on residential property unless borrower defaults, because residential property loans are regulated by the NCCP Act 2009. 4 - Housing is the second highest taxed sector of the Australian Economy. Renters don't pay their fair share of tax, and are subsidised by high taxes incurred by homeowners. 5 - Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
Parse: A rep's spare spear pares pears, reaps as per AREPS.
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