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Is APF a bear forum or a bull forum? Which team is winning?
Topic Started: 14 Apr 2012, 05:48 PM (9,480 Views)
xchn
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peter fraser
26 Apr 2012, 12:32 PM
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26 Apr 2012, 11:04 AM
BEARS HAVE WON ;)
My hope is that people who have little understanding of the market, come to websites like this and learn something that will be of use to them in their decision making.

Whether they are bears or bulls makes no difference to me. We don't go through life buying homes, or TV sets, cars, or anything really as tribal members who all do exactly the same thing, we are individuals with individual wants and needs.

Some will buy a house, and some will not, but whatever they do I hope that their decisions are of better quality based on their situation, because they have been exposed to information and alternate ideas.

So I hope that people have won.



i'm fairly new here and have been a bit perplexed at the bears vs bulls designations/battles.. (glad to say i don't even know what they are and can't be pigeon-holed that easy).. i agree with peter here.. were bigger than the differences between us and its almost degenerative behaviour engaging in this he-says/she-says bull-says/bear-says bollocks and i thought this would be one forum above all that..
Edited by xchn, 18 Jun 2012, 02:11 PM.
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Shadow
15 Apr 2012, 06:21 PM
Can't even interpret a change in trend...

5 City Aggregate, 30/01/12 = 556.79
5 City Aggregate, 15/04/12 = 563.28

It's actually UP since January, but let's call it UP, and certainly not down or flat.

So, are you a bear or a bull Earthsta? I reckon you're a closet bull.
I reckon your a closet moron

5 City Aggregate, 18/06/12 =553.26

It's now lower than the start of the year! :lol

Great trend spotter you are :bye:
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Tasman Vagrant

Six months later and I am wondering if the perception of the forum has changed?
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carter
10 Dec 2012, 01:00 PM
Six months later and I am wondering if the perception of the forum has changed?
With all the positive news, and no sign of the predicted 40% crash, it's looking more like a bull & sensible investor vs. the crazies forum.
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carter
10 Dec 2012, 01:00 PM
Six months later and I am wondering if the perception of the forum has changed?
Yes. I'm no longer a bear. Wait. Was I ever?

I bought in 2009 - I wouldn't have done that if I was bearish on property. However, when I did buy I was clear that I didn't expect it to do much but keep up with inflation, and it was a PPoR bought for personal reasons, not financial ones.

I think many of the "no-crash" brigade are seen as bearish by the bulls, and bullish by the bears. Maybe more so the latter, actually.

I think housing will become a good investment again, but not for a few years at least, and I don't think there will be a crash. If I see a bargain I will buy in a heart beat, but I'm not just going to buy and hold a random property expecting a rising tide to lift all ships.
Property speculation is a type of gambling... But everyone knows that in gambling, the house always wins in the end.
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10 Dec 2012, 01:24 PM
Yes. I'm no longer a bear. Wait. Was I ever?

I bought in 2009 - I wouldn't have done that if I was bearish on property. However, when I did buy I was clear that I didn't expect it to do much but keep up with inflation, and it was a PPoR bought for personal reasons, not financial ones.

I think many of the "no-crash" brigade are seen as bearish by the bulls, and bullish by the bears. Maybe more so the latter, actually.

I think housing will become a good investment again, but not for a few years at least, and I don't think there will be a crash. If I see a bargain I will buy in a heart beat, but I'm not just going to buy and hold a random property expecting a rising tide to lift all ships.
I think the middle is growing.
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newjez
11 Dec 2012, 09:24 AM
I think the middle is growing.
And that's a good thing!
I put trolls and time wasters on my ignore list so if I don't respond to you, you are probably on it ....
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Part of the problem is that as well as having bulls and bears we also has the crash-spruikers and the anti-crash brigade, and some people confuse being anti-crash with bullishness or bearishness.

FWIW, I'm a property investor, and sit on the bullish side of the middle. I don't expect a crash, and expect to start seing decent growth return after 5 to 7 years of price stagnation.
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While it's true that those who win never quit, and those who quit never win, those who never win and never quit are idiots.

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stinkbug
11 Dec 2012, 09:29 AM
FWIW, I'm a property investor, and sit on the bullish side of the middle. I don't expect a crash, and expect to start seing decent growth return after 5 to 7 years of price stagnation.
This is what I am expecting as well. My biggest concern is that if we have to much in the way of low interest rates exported to us, it could ignite something that gets out of control, and after that a crash could be on the cards.
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I'm a bear, and just so as people know my motives it's because I have a large position in GOLD. If we see good times and economies rebound etc my assets will fall. I want a true depression and monitary collapse thank you very much.

Negative gearing is a form of leveraged speculation in which a speculator borrows money to buy an asset, but the income generated by that asset does not cover the interest on the loan

A negative gearing strategy can only make a profit if the asset rises so much in price that the capital gain is more than the sum of the ongoing losses over the life of the speculation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_gearing
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