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I can change your mind about climate change; Survey
Topic Started: 10 Apr 2012, 11:47 AM (2,094 Views)
Ben D
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Many here have strong opinions on climate change. Here's your chance to contribute further to the debate.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/changeyourmind/survey/
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TED BULLPIT
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Ben D
10 Apr 2012, 11:47 AM
Many here have strong opinions on climate change. Here's your chance to contribute further to the debate.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/changeyourmind/survey/
We went over this bs the other day . I think you have either posted in the wrong section or on the wrong forum.
This crap should be moved or pissed off all together , it insites arguments over pointless useless crap.
I explained all there was to know the other day on the subject .
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Ben D
10 Apr 2012, 11:47 AM
Many here have strong opinions on climate change. Here's your chance to contribute further to the debate.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/changeyourmind/survey/
Which profile did your responses place you in? I was placed in the 'Cautious' profile...

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The Cautious are somewhat convinced that global warming is happening, but your belief is relatively weak, with many in this group saying they could change their minds. You have only thought a little about global warming, do not consider it personally important, and tend not to worry about it. You are only somewhat informed about the causes, consequences, and potential solutions. About half of the Cautious believe that human activities are the primary cause, and well over a third believe there is a lot of disagreement among scientists over whether global warming is happening. You do not perceive global warming as a significant personal threat, but do believe it will have a moderate to great impact on future generations. Likewise, you believe global warming will not start to harm people for roughly 35 years.
I generally agree with this profile, apart from the last line.. 'you believe global warming will not start to harm people for roughly 35 years'. In fact I believe changes in the climate are currently harming some people, have always harmed some people, and always will harm some people. At the same time, some others are not harmed, and some others benefit.
Edited by Shadow, 10 Apr 2012, 12:03 PM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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TED BULLPIT
10 Apr 2012, 11:57 AM
We went over this bs the other day . I think you have either posted in the wrong section or on the wrong forum.
This crap should be moved or pissed off all together , it insites arguments over pointless useless crap.
I explained all there was to know the other day on the subject .
Oh I'm sorry. And who are you?
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Ben D
10 Apr 2012, 12:03 PM
TED BULLPIT
10 Apr 2012, 11:57 AM
We went over this bs the other day . I think you have either posted in the wrong section or on the wrong forum.
This crap should be moved or pissed off all together , it insites arguments over pointless useless crap.
I explained all there was to know the other day on the subject .
Oh I'm sorry. And who are you?
TED BULLPIT ;)
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I was in the 'Dismissive' profile.
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While it's true that those who win never quit, and those who quit never win, those who never win and never quit are idiots.

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stinkbug
10 Apr 2012, 12:09 PM
I was in the 'Dismissive' profile.
So are the vast majority, which is quite interesting to me, considering the abuse I received here from the Natural Causes Deniers just because I have a questioning/cautious view on the matter. Perhaps it was my two simple questions that irritated them so much... 'what percentage of climate change is caused by humans?', and 'what caused climate change before humans were around?'... asking those questions to a Natural Causes Denialist always seems to drive them nuts. I guess Natural Causes Deniers are just much smarter than the rest of the population, which gives them the right to hurl abuse and attempt to belittle the (vast majority) of people with an opposing view to them...

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'The Dismissive are sure that global warming is not happening. You say the issue is not at all important to you personally and are not worried about it at all. You, however, say that you have thought about global warming and believe you are well-informed about the causes, consequences, and potential solutions – i.e., that there are none, because it doesn’t exist. You are very certain about your views, and are very unlikely to change your mind about the issue. Many of the Dismissive flatly reject the proposition that global warming is happening, while a majority believe that if global warming is happening, natural changes in the environment are the primary cause. Likewise, a majority believe there is a lot of disagreement among scientists over whether global warming is occurring, while over a fifth of the Dismissive believe there is a scientific consensus that global warming is not happening. You say that global warming will not harm you personally or future generations at all. Finally, you believe global warming will never harm people.'
Edited by Shadow, 10 Apr 2012, 12:28 PM.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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Shadow
10 Apr 2012, 12:21 PM
So are the vast majority, which is quite interesting to me, considering the abuse I received here from the Natural Causes Deniers just for my questioning/cautions views on the matter.

I guess Natural Causes Deniers are just much smarter than the majority of the population, which gives them the right to hurl abuse and attempt to belittle the (vast majority) of people with an opposing view to them...

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'The Dismissive are sure that global warming is not happening. You say the issue is not at all important to you personally and are not worried about it at all. You, however, say that you have thought about global warming and believe you are well-informed about the causes, consequences, and potential solutions – i.e., that there are none, because it doesn’t exist. You are very certain about your views, and are very unlikely to change your mind about the issue. Many of the Dismissive flatly reject the proposition that global warming is happening, while a majority believe that if global warming is happening, natural changes in the environment are the primary cause. Likewise, a majority believe there is a lot of disagreement among scientists over whether global warming is occurring, while over a fifth of the Dismissive believe there is a scientific consensus that global warming is not happening. You say that global warming will not harm you personally or future generations at all. Finally, you believe global warming will never harm people.'
You and I both know that personal abuse is a sure sign the person's argument has run out of steam...
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While it's true that those who win never quit, and those who quit never win, those who never win and never quit are idiots.

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Shadow
10 Apr 2012, 12:21 PM
stinkbug
10 Apr 2012, 12:09 PM
I was in the 'Dismissive' profile.
So are the vast majority, which is quite interesting to me, considering the abuse I received here from the Natural Causes Deniers just because I have a questioning/cautious view on the matter. Perhaps it was my two simple questions that irritated them so much... 'what percentage of climate change is caused by humans?', and 'what caused climate change before humans were around?'... asking those questions to a Natural Causes Denier always seems to drive them nuts. I guess Natural Causes Deniers are just much smarter than the rest of the population, which gives them the right to hurl abuse and attempt to belittle the (vast majority) of people with an opposing view to them...

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'The Dismissive are sure that global warming is not happening. You say the issue is not at all important to you personally and are not worried about it at all. You, however, say that you have thought about global warming and believe you are well-informed about the causes, consequences, and potential solutions – i.e., that there are none, because it doesn’t exist. You are very certain about your views, and are very unlikely to change your mind about the issue. Many of the Dismissive flatly reject the proposition that global warming is happening, while a majority believe that if global warming is happening, natural changes in the environment are the primary cause. Likewise, a majority believe there is a lot of disagreement among scientists over whether global warming is occurring, while over a fifth of the Dismissive believe there is a scientific consensus that global warming is not happening. You say that global warming will not harm you personally or future generations at all. Finally, you believe global warming will never harm people.'
I keep getting an error at Q 15 so I can't complete the survey.

However I would be in the "Concerned" segment I expect.

I've seen a lot of strong "natural causes arguments" but when I investigate them they have no scientific basis.

Any expressed market opinion is my own and is not to be taken as financial advice
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Shadow
10 Apr 2012, 12:21 PM
So are the vast majority, which is quite interesting to me
Yeah I agree.

I would have assumed that the fact that the survey is online would have culled a good chunk of the deniers (ie older people who are not big online users).

Plus the fact that it is for a program on the ABC. I would have expected it would attract more people who would fit in the 'alarmed' and 'concerned' categories.
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