Put a stop every 50km (15mins) and watch the population boom.
I love rail, but unfortunately your plan is not viable.
High speed rail @ 220 -250 kph really only get good economies if the distances are 200-400 km, for a train that stops every 50km, the most economic is 150-170kph. Still faster than driving, but not much good for long distances (better to fly). You could have airports as hubs and regional rail of 150-170kph that run from the airport, but you need to plan that very carefully, and planning is not exactly Australian's strong suit.
Another other problem is that high speed rail costs around $16 million per kilometer, which means just building one track from Sydney to Canberra would cost around 5.2 billion dollars. That is unfortunately, just uneconomical. It doesn't HAVE to cost $16 million per kilometer, but this is Australia, and while we often build things well, we don't build them cheap.
Regional airports are probably a better bet. We could subsidize smaller airports for a fraction of the cost of building rail, and the increase in traffic and trade would boost regional economies. In fact, I think I will write a proposal for just that. Cheers.
I love rail, but unfortunately your plan is not viable.
High speed rail @ 220 -250 kph really only get good economies if the distances are 200-400 km, for a train that stops every 50km, the most economic is 150-170kph. Still faster than driving, but not much good for long distances (better to fly). You could have airports as hubs and regional rail of 150-170kph that run from the airport, but you need to plan that very carefully, and planning is not exactly Australian's strong suit.
Another other problem is that high speed rail costs around $16 million per kilometer, which means just building one track from Sydney to Canberra would cost around 5.2 billion dollars. That is unfortunately, just uneconomical. It doesn't HAVE to cost $16 million per kilometer, but this is Australia, and while we often build things well, we don't build them cheap.
Regional airports are probably a better bet. We could subsidize smaller airports for a fraction of the cost of building rail, and the increase in traffic and trade would boost regional economies. In fact, I think I will write a proposal for just that. Cheers.
Hmm. All the high-speed rail systems (250km/h or greater) I have travelled on stop about every 100km, economical or not. You could still put a stop every 50km but have only every second train stop at the smaller places. There are stations like that on the German ICE system, built for political reasons. Hardly any trains stop....
Still, for something like Brisbane-Gatton-Toowoomba or Brisbane-Sunshine Coast or Brisbane-Gold Coast, 150km/h or 250km/h wouldn't make all that much difference (20 minutes) because the difference is small compared to the time at each end. A 150km/h service would make the Toowoomba-Brisbane commute viable. There are those who think this would be a bad thing because it would effectively kill Toowoomba. There is some support for that in the British experience...
Kevin Rudd tweets regularly on the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo), and2 days ago he tweeted: "Tianjin-Beijing in 30 Minutes! Last time I travelled that stretch it took 3 hours!" Some wag tweeted back "But it take me one hour to get to the railway station!".
I think the biggest challenge for medium-speed rail (<250km/h) and high-speed (>250km/h) is that the existing rights-of-way have way too tight radii of curvature so the tracks would need to be completely re-routed.
I love rail, but unfortunately your plan is not viable.
High speed rail @ 220 -250 kph really only get good economies if the distances are 200-400 km, for a train that stops every 50km, the most economic is 150-170kph. Still faster than driving, but not much good for long distances (better to fly). You could have airports as hubs and regional rail of 150-170kph that run from the airport, but you need to plan that very carefully, and planning is not exactly Australian's strong suit.
Another other problem is that high speed rail costs around $16 million per kilometer, which means just building one track from Sydney to Canberra would cost around 5.2 billion dollars. That is unfortunately, just uneconomical. It doesn't HAVE to cost $16 million per kilometer, but this is Australia, and while we often build things well, we don't build them cheap.
Regional airports are probably a better bet. We could subsidize smaller airports for a fraction of the cost of building rail, and the increase in traffic and trade would boost regional economies. In fact, I think I will write a proposal for just that. Cheers.
Hmm. All the high-speed rail systems (250km/h or greater) I have travelled on stop about every 100km, economical or not. You could still put a stop every 50km but have only every second train stop at the smaller places. There are stations like that on the German ICE system, built for political reasons. Hardly any trains stop....
Still, for something like Brisbane-Gatton-Toowoomba or Brisbane-Sunshine Coast or Brisbane-Gold Coast, 150km/h or 250km/h wouldn't make all that much difference (20 minutes) because the difference is small compared to the time at each end. A 150km/h service would make the Toowoomba-Brisbane commute viable. There are those who think this would be a bad thing because it would effectively kill Toowoomba. There is some support for that in the British experience...
Kevin Rudd tweets regularly on the Chinese version of Twitter (Weibo), and2 days ago he tweeted: "Tianjin-Beijing in 30 Minutes! Last time I travelled that stretch it took 3 hours!" Some wag tweeted back "But it take me one hour to get to the railway station!".
I think the biggest challenge for medium-speed rail (<250km/h) and high-speed (>250km/h) is that the existing rights-of-way have way too tight radii of curvature so the tracks would need to be completely re-routed.
I'd love to see our cities with an efficient underground rail system, and a high speed system to major centres within reach - but Qld has a narrow gauge so there will be either limitations or higher costs to upgrade.
Not that I'm an expert on rail.
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