I really don't want to offend you but your assertions are flat out wrong. Objectively false. Power is the only important factor, engine torque is completely irrelevant. It is the most completely misquoted and misunderstood factor. Even a significant number of engine tuners don't understand this. Wheel torque is VERY relevant, engine torque is completely irrelevant.
I see, that's why your modern private parts extension is getting up to 6 gear ratio's? Because the powerband is unimportant.
Quote:
I hope you aren't talking to your political friends to reduce kw/weight because you clearly have no idea about this particular topic. Although this seems to be the way of the world these days (or was this always the way?).....heaps of instant experts who only know enough to get it completely wrong. Legislating a lower power/weight will likely do nothing to reduce the road toll. A car with 80kw/tonne is MORE THAN enough to kill yourself at high speed while being less capable of merging at high speed on a highway, overtaking a truck on the singel-lane carriageways that make up the VAST majority of Australian roads. You're also perpetuating the deadly myth that you can engineer a solution to people have poor car control and poor understanding of how to drive safely.
Too late, they will be woken up. Your toys will be taken from you.
Quote:
Try driving on the highway in my car (200kw/tonne) and merge and overtake.....you'll feel and understand how much safer it is.
That's what all the idiots say!
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!! You are no longer customer, you are property!!!
They don't need to wake up, because there isn't a problem. Cars are becoming steadily more fuel efficient, and alternatives are being developed.
And, fortunately, fast cars will be around for a while yet. (I own a car which would whip a Falcon, even a V8, from here to next Christmas)
check out the three in one, hybrid diesel electric that volvo is developing...
Quote:
In Hybrid mode, combined cycle fuel consumption is an incredible 1.9 litres/100km and CO2 emissions average 49g/km. Hybrid mode is the V60’s default setting, and operated in this mode it has a total range of 1200km.
In Hybrid mode, combined cycle fuel consumption is an incredible 1.9 litres/100km and CO2 emissions average 49g/km. Hybrid mode is the V60’s default setting, and operated in this mode it has a total range of 1200km.
The mileage per liter is only the result of doing much of the daily commute in electric mode and recharging at home, it's not for example real highway mileage. In that case you won't be getting anything near 1.9 liters/100km.
I don't know why people complain, fuel is only around 10x or so times more expensive in nominal terms that 1970. For example, excluding the modern "world parity" higher excise, petrol would be 90 cents in Aus.
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!! You are no longer customer, you are property!!!
The mileage per liter is only the result of doing much of the daily commute in electric mode and recharging at home, it's not for example real highway mileage. In that case you won't be getting anything near 1.9 liters/100km.
no it's not.
Quote:
Owners will be able to select from three different drive modes: Pure, Hybrid and Power.
In Pure mode the vehicle travels as a wholly electric vehicle for a range of up to 51.5km.
In Hybrid mode, combined cycle fuel consumption is an incredible 1.9 litres/100km and CO2 emissions average 49g/km. Hybrid mode is the V60’s default setting, and operated in this mode it has a total range of 1200km.
In Power mode the car combines both diesel engine and electric motor power for 212kW and 640Nm, leading to a 0-100km/h sprint time of 6.9 seconds.
The mileage per liter is only the result of doing much of the daily commute in electric mode and recharging at home, it's not for example real highway mileage. In that case you won't be getting anything near 1.9 liters/100km.
I don't know why people complain, fuel is only around 10x or so times more expensive in nominal terms that 1970. For example, excluding the modern "world parity" higher excise, petrol would be 90 cents in Aus.
Exactly petrol is amazingly cheap and cars are amazingly safe.
Why don't you concentrate on something you know about ? Or educate yourself about the real causes of car crashes and I'll be more than willing to help.
IF you want to teach one thing - here you go: The simple act of teaching drivers to look ahead (more than the car in front) and leave enough room for themselves to drive independent of the speed of the car in front (not accelerating, braking, accelerating, braking). Fuel economy will be greatly improved (20% or so) and accidents greatly reduced.
You can focus on engine power if you want but it will do nothing. Take the VE series 1 Holden Commodore in 3 engine types (discount the DI 3.6L V6): 6.2L V8 (317kw), 6.0L V8 (270kw) and 3.8L V6 alloytec (180kw). Driven with the SAME driving style they would deliver almost exactly the same fuel economy.
My real world example with the same car (log booked work car !) 180kw (11l/100km) 220kw (11L/100km) 280kw (11L/100km)
On the highway cycle a Hybrid offers little or no practical advantage over a conventional car. Their big saving is in stop/start traffic were simply driving on electric doesn't waste power. On the highway it might get you 4 to 5 liter/100km, depending on how fast you care to drive, doing 60 kphr with no stops might get you that.
Where's the other resident experts hiding? Anybody with a half a brain could tell you the same.
They could advertise 0l/100 km, because if you stay within its electric commute range, you basically wouldn't have to fill up and just charge it O/N.
The next trick of our glorious banks will be to charge us a fee for using net bank!!! You are no longer customer, you are property!!!
it delivered torque at general moving speed? What the f.ck is that?
Torque is delivered at a point in the rev range. doesnt matter if @ 1,000rpm in 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc, torque output is the same (gears just multiply)
You are very wrong on torque delivery - new cars provider a much flatter torque curve than older cars. A lot of new cars have a flat torque curve from 2,000-5,000rpm , ensuring the power is available when required and providing economy benefits, regardless of "moving speed"
Glad you were able to admit you know nothing about cars. The problem is you are lobbying the government (or friends in) on a topic you know f.ck all about.
2,000-5,000rpm That's a turbo charged diesel engine, did you notice that? Even I who knows nothing about cars, knows a turbo charged diesel is a different kettle of fish. What's your excuse! I've been referring to plain simple gasoline engines old and new.
The modern gasoline engine is pretty good up top, but piss poor down below. You can have one or the other. The 70's ford has peak torque coming in at 1600 revs and peak power at 4500 revs, between those two set of revs is its powerband. After that it is not much chop. Modern engine only starts at 3250 revs and goes to 6000 revs.
So you got the older engine that works best at 1600 to 4500 revs, and the current that works best at 3250 to 6000 revs.
Out of these two which one has is the fastest and which delivers the more useful powerband?
My entire point here is driving and accelerating fast is not useful and not safe, and we need engines clipped back to what they once were.
Haha
NO ITS NOT A DIESEL ENGINE!
Its a 2 litre petrol. TFSI, not TDi .
You dont know shit. You assumed a wide torque curve must be from a diesel, becuase you have no idea re modern petrol engines. Yet you started a thread on modern petrol engines.
Well done
And this is from a 2.0L, not a v8....imagine what a modern v8 can do!
The Audi A4 2.0T Multitronic’s 2.0 litre FSI Turbo engine should be no stranger to most of you. It is the same engine featured in the Volkswagen Golf GTI. Just look at the torque curve above, max torque of 280Nm peaks at a low 1,800rpm and remains constant all the way up to 5,000rpm, where it begins to dip. Very broad powerband. Peak horsepower is 200hp at 5,100rpm. For a turbocharged engine, it has a very high compression ratio of 10.5:1, thanks to it’s FSI direct injection. At idle, you can hear the clattering noise that was once associated with diesel engines, but now has become the norm for any direct injection engine, no matter diesel or petrol. 0-100km/h takes 7.3 seconds, and top speed is 235km/h. I did not test either claims, due to lack of equipment and road.
Australian Property Forum is an economics and finance forum dedicated to discussion of Australian and global real estate markets and macroeconomics, including house prices, housing affordability, and the likelihood of a property crash. Is there an Australian housing bubble? Will house prices crash, boom or stagnate? Is the Australian property market a pyramid scheme or Ponzi scheme? Can house prices really rise forever? These are the questions we address on Australian Property Forum, the premier real estate site for property bears, bulls, investors, and speculators. Members may also discuss matters related to finance, modern monetary theory (MMT), debt deflation, cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin Ethereum and Ripple, property investing, landlords, tenants, debt consolidation, reverse home equity loans, the housing shortage, negative gearing, capital gains tax, land tax and macro prudential regulation.
Forum Rules:
The main forum may be used to discuss property, politics, economics and finance, precious metals, crypto currency, debt management, generational divides, climate change, sustainability, alternative energy, environmental topics, human rights or social justice issues, and other topics on a case by case basis. Topics unsuitable for the main forum may be discussed in the lounge. You agree you won't use this forum to post material that is illegal, private, defamatory, pornographic, excessively abusive or profane, threatening, or invasive of another forum member's privacy. Don't post NSFW content. Racist or ethnic slurs and homophobic comments aren't tolerated. Accusing forum members of serious crimes is not permitted. Accusations, attacks, abuse or threats, litigious or otherwise, directed against the forum or forum administrators aren't tolerated and will result in immediate suspension of your account for a number of days depending on the severity of the attack. No spamming or advertising in the main forum. Spamming includes repeating the same message over and over again within a short period of time. Don't post ALL CAPS thread titles. The Advertising and Promotion Subforum may be used to promote your Australian property related business or service. Active members of the forum who contribute regularly to main forum discussions may also include a link to their product or service in their signature block. Members are limited to one actively posting account each. A secondary account may be used solely for the purpose of maintaining a blog as long as that account no longer posts in threads. Any member who believes another member has violated these rules may report the offending post using the report button.
Australian Property Forum complies with ASIC Regulatory Guide 162 regarding Internet Discussion Sites. Australian Property Forum is not a provider of financial advice. Australian Property Forum does not in any way endorse the views and opinions of its members, nor does it vouch for for the accuracy or authenticity of their posts. It is not permitted for any Australian Property Forum member to post in the role of a licensed financial advisor or to post as the representative of a financial advisor. It is not permitted for Australian Property Forum members to ask for or offer specific buy, sell or hold recommendations on particular stocks, as a response to a request of this nature may be considered the provision of financial advice.
Views expressed on this forum are not representative of the forum owners. The forum owners are not liable or responsible for comments posted. Information posted does not constitute financial or legal advice. The forum owners accept no liability for information posted, nor for consequences of actions taken on the basis of that information. By visiting or using this forum, members and guests agree to be bound by the Zetaboards Terms of Use.
This site may contain copyright material (i.e. attributed snippets from online news reports), the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such content is posted to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democratic, scientific, and social justice issues. This constitutes 'fair use' of such copyright material as provided for in section 107 of US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed for research and educational purposes only. If you wish to use this material for purposes that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Such material is credited to the true owner or licensee. We will remove from the forum any such material upon the request of the owners of the copyright of said material, as we claim no credit for such material.
Privacy Policy: Australian Property Forum uses third party advertising companies to serve ads when you visit our site. These third party advertising companies may collect and use information about your visits to Australian Property Forum as well as other web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services of interest to you. If you would like more information about this practice and to know your choices about not having this information used by these companies, click here: Google Advertising Privacy FAQ
Australian Property Forum is hosted by Zetaboards. Please refer also to the Zetaboards Privacy Policy