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Australia risks auto industry collapse, down to one car manufacturer within next few years
Topic Started: 28 Jan 2012, 08:36 PM (12,951 Views)
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So how much would say a $22k hatchback cost if we were to stop supporting Ford and Holden? Say a Mazda 3.
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26 Mar 2012, 09:52 PM
WHO killed aussie auto industry ... all of you driving japanese or german or other european cars, complaining that the australian cars have issue! yes i am, talking to YOU!
While the quality of Australian cars has improved significantly over the past 10 years I will say that the relevance of their products has declined massively. I could not have been the only person who was well aware that larger and larger cars would sell less and less as the previous decade rolled on. I am constantly astonished that Ford and Holden keep making cars bigger and heavier each model while buyers went for the SAME SIZED CARS (ie. bracket creep meant people went from large to medium to "small" sized cars).

The FG falcon is a very good car that is many times better than the EA-EF cars (uurrgghhh the EF) that have so sullied it's name. However regardless of preconceptions the REAL problem is the farkin size of the thing ! None of my friends, close or extended, drive a Falcon, heck I haven't met a person in 5 years who owns a Falcon. I love cars, and I have considered the FG, so I have asked many many people why they don't buy a Falcon. The vast majority say "they are too big". On the launch of the FG I went to Ford to consider a test drive of the XR6 Turbo but didn't bother after sitting in it as it really was just stupidly large no matter how much McDonald's I ate I would never fit those seats. So I asked the salesman "how many people didn't buy the last model because it wasn't big enough?", he answered "None, that I know of", to which I then reasonably asked "So why did Ford make it bigger then ?".

The same applies to the Commodore but they have a larger fan base (possibly because they kept the V8 dream alive through the 80's and heck they had a bigger fan base since day dot).

Holden also massively shot themselves in the foot with their disgusting importation of horrific products from Daewoo (the viva and "Barina", amongst others). they also employ complete retard in their service department which can't fix the most simple things. I've had first hand experience with about 7 service visits in the past 3 years. Also add outright lying about requiring strut bearings on a 55,000km old car (there is nothing wrong with them as confirmed by another mechanic now too) in an attempt to recover warranty labour costs. Several letters have been written to Holden and none have been answered. I cannot say enough thigns about the poor quality of product and service from this company.

If people want big cars they drive an SUV which made the Territory was an excellent move by Ford, but they haven't upgraded it significantly and they have minimal export potential (because they are too big and the only applicable markets are USA, Australia and the Middle East).

I have owned and serviced 4 Japanese cars over the past 20 (ish) years and I can say they are many-fold more reliable than anything I have seen from Holden (or from the small experience I have had with local Fords).



Edited by Thatguy, 18 Jul 2012, 02:54 PM.
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Sweetdish
27 Mar 2012, 04:38 PM
I most certainly hope so!

I am sick of paying having to pay four times the real cost of a car just to keep a few thousand misallocated workers employed.
Holdens and (Australian) Fords are simply not good cars. In Australia we pay up to 4 times the price of any imported car in order to finance this madness.

So as far as i am concerned this couldn't happen fast enough.
Your maths is terrible. We pay nothing like 4 times the price (even for a Porsche 911). The USA pays too little for cars due to the hangover from exchange rates, this is being clawed back gradually to prevent buyer backlash - many Euro companies are loosing money on each sale in the USA currently ! If you compare the prices for cars under the luxury car tax to a global average you will see we pay only a slightly higher price.

Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche, etc etc all make a high profit here due to the fact people will pay a premium in Australia for these products. They would not come down much if we stopped the 5% import duty. They would come down if we stopped the luxury car tax. However the margin from the parent company makes up the bulk of the difference in the higher end cars.

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I think the main problem is the bogan image they have. Get rid of the fucking spoilers on the sv/xr/6s and 8s. They are such bad taste.

Everybody is terrified of being considered a bogan. Even though they are worse than bogans with their 4wds and their little rice boxes are tacky and weak and gay.
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themoops
18 Jul 2012, 02:27 PM
So how much would say a $22k hatchback cost if we were to stop supporting Ford and Holden? Say a Mazda 3.
$20,500 - $21,000

Every car maker is making big $$$ in Australia at the moment due to barely dropping their prices regardless of the exchange rate. Hence why we have virtually every car manufacturer returning to the country in recent years.
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26 Mar 2012, 11:28 PM
apologies.. I thought they were only assembled here, not actually developed and manufactured here.

What other hybrids are developed in Australia ? None I think.
Actually Hybrid cars are not that cost effective. They only place they bring any sort of great benefit is in stop start traffic, so for inner city they are choice. And ordinary small car can equal the fuel savings of a Hybrid in most other circumstances. Most of the fuel savings of Hybrids come from their low KW output engines. We could save Australia's petrol bill by simply cutting back peak revs in the 6's from 7000 to say 3500.

The 3 cars I've had have been locally built.

Gemini.......a bucket

Corona......brilliant car.

Falcon.....Yuk! I only got it for ded gas. Although Ford or Holdens are much cheaper to maintain than imports and other cars. I don't know if cheaper upfront is always wise!
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18 Jul 2012, 02:53 PM


The FG falcon is a very good car that is many times better than the EA-EF cars (uurrgghhh the EF) that have so sullied it's name. However regardless of preconceptions the REAL problem is the farkin size of the thing ! None of my friends, close or extended, drive a Falcon, heck I haven't met a person in 5 years who owns a Falcon. I love cars, and I have considered the FG, so I have asked many many people why they don't buy a Falcon. The vast majority say "they are too big". On the launch of the FG I went to Ford to consider a test drive of the XR6 Turbo but didn't bother after sitting in it as it really was just stupidly large no matter how much McDonald's I ate I would never fit those seats. So I asked the salesman "how many people didn't buy the last model because it wasn't big enough?", he answered "None, that I know of", to which I then reasonably asked "So why did Ford make it bigger then ?".



There's people that swear by the E Fords, I was going to buy one of late ded gas models. But even the latest E Fords leaked oil like no tomorrow, where as the B's were very clean underneath.

I'd say it's a very reliable car in basic operation, but the interiors are tacky. And a few small fiddly things go wrong which I never had problems with in a Toyota.

But I'd still go FG next for the ded gas, just need to find something with a more upmarket interior. It's pretty sad in Aus which has oodles of LPG that there aren't more ded LPG.
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themoops
18 Jul 2012, 03:06 PM
I think the main problem is the bogan image they have. Get rid of the fucking spoilers on the sv/xr/6s and 8s. They are such bad taste.

Everybody is terrified of being considered a bogan. Even though they are worse than bogans with their 4wds and their little rice boxes are tacky and weak and gay.
That's why I'd like to see the power output halved which is completely unnecessary. A 100 KW is plenty! All that power and they behave like Apes.
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Count du Monet
18 Jul 2012, 03:27 PM
That's why I'd like to see the power output halved which is completely unnecessary. A 100 KW is plenty! All that power and they behave like Apes.
I'll keep my 290kw, 530Nm please....and raise you decent fuel efficiency in a 4 seat car (real world 11L/100km in Brisbane) due to low weight and a turbo charged engine (built in 1997!).
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18 Jul 2012, 03:27 PM
That's why I'd like to see the power output halved which is completely unnecessary. A 100 KW is plenty! All that power and they behave like Apes.
I have found apes to be very poor high speed drivers. Don't ask me how I know !
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