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TheConversation.edu ... Debunking myths peddled by Australian property bubble deniers. Philip Soos.; Blowing away the bubble deniers; Philip Soos - Deakin University's School of International and Political Studies
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Topic Started: 15 Dec 2011, 02:55 PM (1,253 Views)
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Permabull shadow the bubble denier proved wrong again ! :excited:
https://theconversation.edu.au/debunking-the-myths-peddled-by-australias-property-bubble-deniers-4488
Debunking the myths peddled by Australia’s property bubble ‘deniers’
Philip Soos
Our Safe as Houses series delves into a topic close to the heart of many Australians – property. This is not a series on where the market might be heading. Instead we aim to explore how we view property and float some alternative ideas.
It’s one of the mostly hotly debated topics surrounding property: do Australia’s high residential prices constitute a bubble? Yes, says Phillip Soos, researcher at Deakin University’s School of International and Political Studies, tackling what he says are the four most popular arguments used by “bubble deniers”.
For over half a decade in Australia, a fierce debate has occurred over whether a bubble exists in the housing market. The vast majority of experts, institutions and the public believe that the idea of a bubble is nonsense. On the other side of the coin, a handful of individuals have contested this notion, pointing out the flaws in the bubble deniers’ line of thinking.
We will look over some of the common arguments made by the bubble deniers, to see how they stack up with the facts.
Recourse lending
One of the major arguments made by experts and industry is that a housing bubble cannot exist because mortgages are recourse in Australia, rather than non-recourse. This means that borrowers are liable for the full amount of the mortgage, whereas non-recourse means that borrowers have no legal liability to pay back the mortgage if they default.
This is often compared to the United States, which is alleged to have non-recourse loans. This line of thinking asserts that borrowers took upon irresponsible amounts of mortgage debt to speculate on housing, knowing that if they defaulted down the track, they would not be liable to pay back the full amount.
This has led to the popular term called “jingle mail,” referring to the notion of a defaulted borrower mailing back the keys to their lender, and walking away from the property. This typically occurs when the borrower is in a position of negative equity, that is, the property is now worth less than the loan. The lender thus makes a loss on their accounts, to the value of the difference between the loan and the current market value of the property.
As the argument goes, non-recourse lending in the US was a major factor in the run-up in housing prices, whereas Australia has recourse mortgages, and thus does not have irresponsible amounts of mortgage debt.
There is one small problem with this view: it is total nonsense.
A study by two Federal Reserve economists debunks the notion that the US has non-recourse loans. Out of the fifty states and D.C., 11 are non-recourse. All of the remaining 39 states are recourse. On top of this, in some of the non-recourse states, the first mortgage many be non-recourse, but all proceeding mortgages are recourse. Also, it often depends on the legalities and judges’ decisions as to whether a borrower is required to pay back the full value of the loan in a non-recourse state.
Worse yet, some of the states that experienced the largest housing bubbles have recourse loans, for instance, Florida and Nevada, whereas California and Oregon, similarly affected, have non-recourse loans. Overall, there is no real difference between states that have recourse and non-recourse loans, apart from recourse borrowers who tend, on average, to hold onto their properties longer before defaulting.
Ireland experienced a colossal run-up in prices over the last decade, resulting in a crash and subsequent debt-deflation that has ruined the economy. What is not said is that Ireland has recourse mortgages, governed by strict rules, and non-payment may even result in imprisonment. Clearly, recourse mortgages did not prevent a bubble from forming in the housing market.
The idea that recourse mortgages enforce responsible and conservative behavior cannot be upheld. A cursory search through Google on this topic provides information that debunks this notion (like the above study). Yet, this has not stopped the leading “experts” within the RBA, Treasury, the banking and real estate industry, and academia from repeating this falsified argument again and again over the years.
Housing prices always go up
Another popular myth that abounds is that housing prices always go up and never crash. If a bubble denier reluctantly admits that past downturns did occur, it certainly won’t occur this time around.
Australia’s recorded housing price history, going back 131 years to 1880, easily debunks this myth. The nine major increases in prices have been met by eight resulting downturns, with the only exception during a small three year period from 1961-1964, where prices leveled off. The table below, from my Prosper Australia report, shows this.

We are supposed to believe that the largest increase in housing prices in Australian history will not result in the same fate as eight of the nine have.
The housing shortage
This is probably the most popular argument used by the bubble deniers. The story is that as Australia is suffering from a chronic deficit of properties to shelter a growing population, so demand is greater than supply, leading to rising housing prices.
The problem with this argument is it can’t explain why prices started to rise in 1996 and skyrocketed from 2001 onwards. Annual population growth between 1996 and 2005 registered at approximately 1%, taking off between 1.5% and 2% from 2006 onwards. (Fundamental supply and demand issues explain rent prices, not housing prices, which is why rents have increased from 2006 onwards).
2007 was the first time since 1950 that the population increased faster than the number of dwellings. If the housing shortage argument was correct, housing prices should’ve started to rise from around 2006-2007 onwards, not 1996. The historical data shows that there is no correlation, let alone causation, between population growth, dwelling supply and housing prices.
According to the 2006 ABS census data, there were 830,376 unoccupied dwellings during the time the survey was taken, out of a total of 8,426,559, or 10% of the dwelling stock. Unfortunately, no indication is given to the status of the vacant properties (derelict, holiday house, undergoing sale, renovations, speculative vacancy).
The Melbourne-based organisation Prosper Australia performed an innovative study of vacant properties using water usage figures. Applying a conservative methodology, it was found that almost 45,000 properties were lying vacant in the areas under study, and extrapolated across Melbourne, 61,000 properties were lying vacant for more than six months. This gives credibility to the idea that speculators are withholding properties from the market to capture capital gains rather than rental income.
Australia’s peak housing body, the National Housing Supply Council, had to include the homeless, caravan park residents, those sleeping rough and couch surfers into their figures in order to arrive at an undersupply of dwellings.
This is reminiscent of every other country affected by a housing bubble whose experts and authorities claimed that rising housing prices were caused by a housing shortage.
Australian banks have lent conservatively
This is one of the more ludicrous defenses made by the bubble deniers. Our mortgage debt stands at $1.2 trillion, or 90% of GDP. If personal debt is included as well, as some analyses do, it totals 100% of GDP. A report by the Bank of International Settlements shows that a ratio of and above 85% becomes damaging to the economy.

That Australia has such a high ratio is unsurprising considering the major banks have lent up to 97% of the value of the property (called the loan to value ratio or LVR) and some non-banking lenders have lent out a staggering 125%. The housing debt to disposable income ratio has reached 160%.
Comparatively, Australia has a greater mortgage debt to GDP ratio than the US. Australians have taken upon an enormous debt load to speculate on housing prices. Why bother to work?
Australia is not unique in having a disbelief in the idea of a housing bubble. By definition, a bubble requires that complicity of the majority of people and institutions to believe that there is no bubble. Otherwise, individual rational action would be promptly taken, which would result in bursting the bubble in the early stages or preventing the formation of one altogether.
The only difference between Australia and other countries affected by housing bubbles is that bubble deniers are as plentiful as kangaroos down under.
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Philip Soos claims that the major arguments made by experts and industry to explain why a housing bubble cannot exist are...
1. Recourse lending 2. Housing prices always go up 3. The housing shortage 4. Australian banks have lent conservatively
My response...
1. I haven't seen anyone use recourse lending to explain why a housing bubble cannot exist. Strawman argument. 2. Who says house prices always go up? The only people who ever utter these words are bears attempting to build a strawman. 3. A shortage of housing on its own will not prevent prices falling, and I haven't seen anyone claim it will. Another strawman. 4. They have lent conservatively compared to countries where housing bubbles burst.
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Thanks for that list of strawmen Mohammed. It is proof that Prosper Australia have found it necessary to resort to making up shit. They are speaking out of their arses.
The table of price increases and decreases is made up shit. From item 3 onwards, ALL the increases are understated and ALL of the decreases were in reality INCREASES with the single one year exception of 1960-61. Check Stapledon yourselves.
The stated decrease for 1950-53 is 25.5%. The truth is that prices ROSE 14%.
The stated decrease for 1974-79 is 16%. The truth is that prices ROSE 56%.
The stated decrease for 1981-83 is 10.2%. The truth is that prices ROSE 11%.
The stated decrease for 1985-87 is 5.4%. The truth is that prices ROSE 12%.
The stated decrease for 1989-92 is 8.6%. The truth is that prices ROSE 5%.
The stated decrease for 1950-53 is 25.5%. The truth is that prices ROSE 14%.
The stated increases are also all wrong.
For example the stated increase for 1967 to 1974 is 39.8%. The truth is that prices rose 132%.

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For over half a decade in Australia, a fierce debate has occurred over whether a bubble exists in the housing market. The vast majority of experts, institutions and the public believe that the idea of a bubble is nonsense. On the other side of the coin, a handful of individuals have contested this notion, pointing out the flaws in the bubble deniers’ line of thinking.
We will look over some of the common arguments made by the bubble deniers, to see how they stack up with the facts.
Recourse lending
One of the major arguments made by experts and industry is that a housing bubble cannot exist because mortgages are recourse in Australia, rather than non-recourse. This means that borrowers are liable for the full amount of the mortgage, whereas non-recourse means that borrowers have no legal liability to pay back the mortgage if they default.
This is often compared to the United States, which is alleged to have non-recourse loans. This line of thinking asserts that borrowers took upon irresponsible amounts of mortgage debt to speculate on housing, knowing that if they defaulted down the track, they would not be liable to pay back the full amount.
This has led to the popular term called ‘jingle mail’, referring to the notion of a defaulted borrower mailing back the keys to their lender, and walking away from the property. This typically occurs when the borrower is in a position of negative equity, that is, the property is now worth less than the loan. The lender thus makes a loss on their accounts, to the value of the difference between the loan and the current market value of the property.
As the argument goes, non-recourse lending in the US was a major factor in the run-up in housing prices, whereas Australia has recourse mortgages, and thus does not have irresponsible amounts of mortgage debt.
There is one small problem with this view: it is total nonsense.
A study by two Federal Reserve economists debunks the notion that the US has non-recourse loans. Out of the fifty states, 11 are non-recourse. All of the remaining 39 states are recourse. On top of this, in some of the non-recourse states, the first mortgage may be non-recourse, but all proceeding mortgages are recourse. Also, it often depends on the legalities and judges’ decisions as to whether a borrower is required to pay back the full value of the loan in a non-recourse state.
Worse yet, some of the states that experienced the largest housing bubbles have recourse loans, for instance, Florida and Nevada, whereas California and Oregon, similarly affected, have non-recourse loans. Overall, there is no real difference between states that have recourse and non-recourse loans, apart from recourse borrowers who tend, on average, to hold onto their properties longer before defaulting.
Ireland experienced a colossal run-up in prices over the last decade, resulting in a crash and subsequent debt deflation that has ruined the economy. What is not said is that Ireland has recourse mortgages, governed by strict rules, and non-payment may even result in imprisonment. Clearly, recourse mortgages did not prevent a bubble from forming in the housing market.
The idea that recourse mortgages enforce responsible and conservative behaviour cannot be upheld. A cursory search through Google on this topic provides information that debunks this notion (like the above study). Yet, this has not stopped the leading ‘experts’ within the RBA, Treasury, the banking and real estate industry, and academia from repeating this falsified argument again and again over the years.
Housing prices always go up
Another popular myth that abounds is that housing prices always go up and never crash. If a bubble denier reluctantly admits that past downturns did occur, it certainly won’t occur this time around.
Australia’s recorded housing price history, going back 131 years to 1880, easily debunks this myth. The nine major increases in prices have been met by eight resulting downturns, with the only exception during a small three year period from 1961-1964, where prices leveled off. The table below, from my Prosper Australia report, shows this.
click the image to enlarge
We are supposed to believe that the largest increase in housing prices in Australian history will not result in the same fate as eight of the nine have.
The housing shortage
This is probably the most popular argument used by the bubble deniers. The story is that as Australia is suffering from a chronic deficit of properties to shelter a growing population, so demand is greater than supply, leading to rising housing prices.
The problem with this argument is it can’t explain why prices started to rise in 1996 and skyrocketed from 2001 onwards. Annual population growth between 1996 and 2005 registered at approximately 1 per cent, taking off between 1.5 per cent and 2 per cent from 2006 onwards. (Fundamental supply and demand issues explain rent prices, not housing prices, which is why rents have increased from 2006 onwards).
2007 was the first time since 1950 that the population increased faster than the number of dwellings. If the housing shortage argument was correct, housing prices should’ve started to rise from around 2006-2007 onwards, not 1996. The historical data shows that there is no correlation, let alone causation, between population growth, dwelling supply and housing prices.
According to the 2006 ABS census data, there were 830,376 unoccupied dwellings during the time the survey was taken, out of a total of 8,426,559, or 10% of the dwelling stock. Unfortunately, no indication is given to the status of the vacant properties (derelict, holiday house, undergoing sale, renovations, speculative vacancy).
The Melbourne-based organisation Prosper Australia performed an innovative study of vacant properties using water usage figures. Applying a conservative methodology, it was found that almost 45,000 properties were lying vacant in the areas under study, and extrapolated across Melbourne, 61,000 properties were lying vacant for more than six months. This gives credibility to the idea that speculators are withholding properties from the market to capture capital gains rather than rental income.
Australia’s peak housing body, the National Housing Supply Council, had to include the homeless, caravan park residents, those sleeping rough and couch surfers into their figures in order to arrive at an undersupply of dwellings.
This is reminiscent of every other country affected by a housing bubble whose experts and authorities claimed that rising housing prices were caused by a housing shortage.
Australian banks have lent conservatively
This is one of the more ludicrous defences made by the bubble deniers. Our mortgage debt stands at $1.2 trillion, or 90 per cent of GDP. If personal debt is included as well, as some analyses do, it totals 100 per cent of GDP. A report by the Bank of International Settlements shows that a ratio above 85 per cent becomes damaging to the economy.
click the image to enlarge
That Australia has such a high ratio is unsurprising considering the major banks have lent up to 97 per cent of the value of the property (called the loan to value ratio or LVR) and some non-banking lenders have lent out a staggering 125 per cent. The housing debt to disposable income ratio has reached 160 per cent.
Comparatively, Australia has a greater mortgage debt to GDP ratio than the US. Australians have taken upon an enormous debt load to speculate on housing prices. Why bother to work?
Australia is not unique in having a disbelief in the idea of a housing bubble. By definition, a bubble requires that complicity of the majority of people and institutions to believe that there is no bubble. Otherwise, individual rational action would be promptly taken, which would result in bursting the bubble in the early stages or preventing the formation of one altogether.
The only difference between Australia and other countries affected by housing bubbles is that bubble deniers are as plentiful as kangaroos down under.
Philip Soos is a researcher at Deakin University's School of International and Political Studies.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/housing-bubble-Australia-property-prices-real-esta-pd20111214-PJ3R6?opendocument&src=rss
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For over half a decade in Australia, a fierce debate has occurred over whether a bubble exists in the housing market. The vast majority of experts, institutions and the public believe that the idea of a bubble is nonsense. Meanwhile the prices have been moving upwards and the lower end of the market further and further away from CBD. :lol:
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The only difference between Australia and other countries affected by housing bubbles is that bubble deniers are as plentiful as kangaroos down under.
How exactly does the fact we have lots of roos down under is blowing away the bubble deniers ? If there is anything that has blown over the past few years is the cerebral aneurysm that some bears have been getting while waiting for the BIG crash and rent payments go higher over the last half decade.
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Table in the article is made up shit. Explained in the following thread with which it needs merging.
http://australianpropertyforum.com/topic/9275556/
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Don't forget the mining boom, Those mowonic bubble deniers always love flogging that old horse.
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That Philip Soos fella beats raveswei in the making up shit department.
I just had a look at another paper of his which also appeared on that "The Conversation" site.
The paper is here:
http://theconversation.edu.au/are-economists-ignoring-australias-property-bubble-3268
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Rent stemming from residential land equates to about 30% of GDP in Australia.
Soos is either a deliberate inventor of crap or he is cuckoo.
GDP is currently about $1400b pa at current prices. 30% of that is $470b. He says that's the rent on residential land.
Lets assume there are 3 mbillion rental places and average rent is $400 a week. Both assumptions too high and are in Soos's favour.
That equates to $60b or 4% of GDP. Soos says it is 30%.
Maybe Soos is including imputed rent (bears normally reject the concept of imputed rent) on owner occupied dwellings. OK, that would add another 6 million dwellings with generously perhaps an imputed rent of $400 a week.
That adds another $120b or 8% of GDP.
That gives a grand total, if you include imputed rent, of 12% of GDP. Soos says it is 30%.
The generous interpretation is that he's cuckoo.
Edit add: Even the rent I've presented above is not all "stemming from residential land". It stems from the buildings and the land.
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Rav are you Soos?
This is the type of simplistic nonsense you write.
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That Philip Soos fella beats raveswei in the making up shit department. I just had a look at another paper of his which also appeared on that "The Conversation" site. The paper is here: http://theconversation.edu.au/are-economists-ignoring-australias-property-bubble-3268Soos writes: Soos is either a deliberate inventor of crap or he is cuckoo. GDP is currently about $1400b pa at current prices. 30% of that is $470b. He says that's the rent on residential land. Lets assume there are 3 billion rental places and average rent is $400 a week. Both assumptions too high and are in Soos's favour. That equates to $60b or 4% of GDP. Soos says it is 30%. Maybe Soos is including imputed rent (bears normally reject the concept of imputed rent) on owner occupied dwellings. OK, that would add another 6 million dwellings with generously perhaps an imputed rent of $400 a week. That adds another $120b or 8% of GDP. That gives a grand total, if you include imputed rent, of 12% of GDP. Soos says it is 30%. The generous interpretation is that he's cuckoo. Edit add: Even the rent I've presented above is not all "stemming from residential land". It stems from the buildings and the land. 3 billion rental properties eh? Definitely defeats the shortage argument once and for all.
Soos is talking about economic rent not contract rent. If you are going to comment on an article it would help if you understood what was being argued.
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3 billion rental properties eh? Definitely defeats the shortage argument once and for all. You are cuckoo too like your mate Soos if you think there are 3 million VACANT rental properties.
The private rental households figure is closer to 2 million but I wrote 3 million to favour Soos. The ABS say the number of private rental households is 23.7% of 8,398,500 (their recent household wealth report). That's 1,990,000. SQM say the rental vacancy rate is 1.9% Nationally.
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Soos is talking about economic rent not contract rent. If you are going to comment on an article it would help if you understood what was being argued.
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Rent stemming from residential land equates to about 30% of GDP in Australia.
"economic rent"? So you are saying that the "economic rent" for the land for the 9m residential dwellings is $470b pa (ie 30% of GDP) or about $52k per annum for each dwelling! That's invented crap.
Perhaps as his apologist you can show us how he gets that figure for "residential" land.
And while you're at it perhaps you can get Soos to fix his false made up table of price declines.
PS - hi "staringclown/strangejiuce" - still trying to hide your GHPC id 'cus of all your failed crash predictions?
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The private rental households figure is closer to 2 million but I wrote 3 million to favour Soos.
you actually wrote 3 billion. but what's a few thousand million between forum members.
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Thanks for that list of strawmen Mohammed. It is proof that Prosper Australia have found it necessary to resort to making up shit. They are speaking out of their arses.
The table of price increases and decreases is made up shit. From item 3 onwards, ALL the increases are understated and ALL of the decreases were in reality INCREASES with the single one year exception of 1960-61. Check Stapledon yourselves.
The stated decrease for 1950-53 is 25.5%. The truth is that prices ROSE 14%.
Stapledon Table 2.1 page 58 has four columns, i.e. Date (June Qtr of Year), Median $'000 (Nominal), 2005 Prices, Constant Quality Index.
The numbers you provide appear to be from the nominal prices column. Soos figures appear to be derived from the 2005 prices (real) column. And Soos did state that he was referring to real prices.
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Soos is either a deliberate inventor of crap or he is cuckoo.
GDP is currently about $1400b pa at current prices. 30% of that is $470b. He says that's the rent on residential land.
Lets assume there are 3 billion rental places and average rent is $400 a week. Both assumptions too high and are in Soos's favour.
That equates to $60b or 4% of GDP. Soos says it is 30%.
Maybe a typo on Soos part, did he mean to write 3%? Considering at least 90% of the posts I read here have some form of typo in them and that the average post is one or two paragraphs, isn't this possible? If Soos is a busy person this is easily possible, and even if he has his report spell checked - the checker may not have the acuity that you do in noticing what you saw as an obvious error in logic.
If it grates on your nerves so you can always ping Soos psoos@deakin.edu.au
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Bubble or no bubble, there are still no signs of an imminent crash despite massive global economic uncertainty. The world is flooded with doom and gloom yet Australian property prices have remained relatively solid. Just wait till the world emerges from the current slump. Property will be set to rocket.
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