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It's the end of the world as we know it

December 3, 2012 - 12:00AM
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THE world is on track to see "an unrecognisable planet" that is between 4 and 6 degrees hotter by the end of this century, according to new data on greenhouse gas emissions.

As United Nations climate negotiations enter their second week in Doha, Qatar, an Australian-based international research effort that tracks greenhouse gas output will release its annual findings on Monday, showing emissions climbing too quickly to stave off the effects of dangerous climate change.

The new forecast does not include recent revelations about the effects of thawing permafrost, which is starting to release large amounts of methane from the Arctic. This process makes cutting human emissions of fossil fuels even more urgent, scientists say.

The new data from the Global Carbon Project found greenhouse gas emissions are expected to have risen 2.6 per cent by the end of this year, on top of a 3 per cent rise in 2011. Since 1990, the reference year for the Kyoto Protocol, emissions have increased 54 per cent.

It means that the goal of the Doha talks – to hold global temperature rise to 2 degrees – is almost out of reach. That goal requires that emissions peak now and start falling significantly within eight years.

"Unless we change current emissions trends, this year is set to reach 36 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide from the combustion of fossil fuels, we are on the way to an unrecognisable planet of 4 to 6 degrees warmer by the end of this century," said the executive director of the Global Carbon Project, Dr Pep Canadell.

"Unless the negotiators in Doha wake up tomorrow and embrace a new green industrial revolution to rapidly change our energy systems, chances to stay below global warming of 2 degrees Celsius are vanishing very fast, if they are not already gone."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-20121202-2ap4l.html
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THE world is on track to see "an unrecognisable planet" that is between 4 and 6 degrees hotter by the end of this century, according to new data on greenhouse gas emissions.

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Just look at this idiocy from the deniers camp:

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‘Enormously insensitive’ to hurt God’s feelings by not using oil

Bryan Fischer, the director of issues analysis of the conservative fundamentalist American Family Association, on Thursday told a so-called “expert” who denies climate change that not using God’s fossil fuels would be like “crushing” someone’s feelings by rejecting their birthday present.

The Cornwall Alliance’s Calvin Beisner, who has previously said that believing in climate change “is an insult to God,” explained on Thursday that the Bible said it was also very rude to not use oil, coal and natural gas.

“The wicked and lazy master was the one who buried his talent in the ground and didn’t do anything to multiply it,” Beisner explained. “That’s essentially what those who say we need to stop using oil, coal and natural gas are telling us to do. Just leave those resources buried in the ground, rather than pulling them out and multiplying their value for human benefit.”

“You know, God has buried those treasures there because he loves to see us find them.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/30/bryan-fischer-enormously-insensitive-to-hurt-gods-feelings-by-not-using-oil/

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30 Nov 2012, 04:47 PM


This is an important area of research and I'm glad someone is pursuing it. Global cooling is a much scarier proposition to me than global warming, and it seems pretty obvious to me that AGW is not the only mechanism at work in climate change.
Global cooling is actually not a very scary problem at all. We could definitely cure the world if it was going towards snowball earth territory. Stopping warming is much much harder.
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3 Dec 2012, 11:11 AM

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Just look at this idiocy from the deniers camp:


You've changed tack!
Why?
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3 Dec 2012, 03:13 PM
You've changed tack!
Why?
What are you talking about?
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3 Dec 2012, 03:56 PM
What are you talking about?
I thought you were a 'climate change its wrong' sort of guy.
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3 Dec 2012, 04:04 PM
I thought you were a 'climate change its wrong' sort of guy.
Nope. I did have a go at Audus who was predicting imminent climate collapse in the next couple of years. I think we have a few, or maybe even several, decades of steadily increasing weather extremes until we hit a tipping point where the climate flips to some new state that is inimicale to modern civilization. Governments will not do anything beyond token efforts because of the huge influence corporations and people like the Koch brothers have over them and the propaganda power they wield over the general public. It's probably too late now anyway to do anything.
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3 Dec 2012, 02:29 PM
Global cooling is actually not a very scary problem at all. We could definitely cure the world if it was going towards snowball earth territory. Stopping warming is much much harder.
So now not only are we expected to believe the subliminal message that climate change is unusual and frightening, we are going to be trained to believe:

1. The entire earth being covered with ice is a problem that can definately be reversed or avoided by human technology

Whereas

2. If the temperature rises by two degrees we are all totally doomed

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3 Dec 2012, 05:09 PM
So now not only are we expected to believe the subliminal message that climate change is unusual and frightening, we are going to be trained to believe:

1. The entire earth being covered with ice is a problem that can definately be reversed or avoided by human technology

Whereas

2. If the temperature rises by two degrees we are all totally doomed

:lol

You realize that an ice age does not mean the entire Earth is covered in ice?
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3 Dec 2012, 05:15 PM
You realize that an ice age does not mean the entire Earth is covered in ice?
The snowball earth theory describes the earth as being more or less entirely covered with ice

Snowball earth is not describing an ordinary ice age

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