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The Climate Change Thread; New data shows global warming ended 16 years ago
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Andrew Judd
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Tyrion Lannister
1 Nov 2012, 03:03 PM

Ok. Thanks again for your feedback.
Evidently you are more interested in playing politics and fucking around than anything else.

You have chosen to deliberately make conversations about climate change ambiguous so you can sucker people into your agenda even when they are not in agreement with it.
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Ben D
10 Nov 2011, 02:01 PM
There growing rate of change in concentrations of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere has been unprecedented.
Unprecedented, in relation to when???
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Andrew Judd
1 Nov 2012, 03:08 PM
Evidently you are more interested in playing politics and fucking around than anything else.

You have chosen to deliberately make conversations about climate change ambiguous so you can sucker people into your agenda even when they are not in agreement with it.
Sincerely, that was not my intention. My apologies for any confusion.
A Lannister always pays his debts.
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Tyrion Lannister
1 Nov 2012, 03:30 PM
Sincerely, that was not my intention. My apologies for any confusion.


If you genuinely mean that, then you must make more of an effort to ensure your language is clear.

I have the impression though that you will continue to frustrate other people by talking about climate change

ThatGuy is also doing the same thing and refusing to take responsibility for it.

Evidently the useage of 'climate change' has some important function that is not immediately clear to the person who hears it.
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Andrew Judd
1 Nov 2012, 03:45 PM


If you genuinely mean that, then you must make more of an effort to ensure your language is clear.

I have the impression though that you will continue to frustrate other people by talking about climate change

ThatGuy is also doing the same thing and refusing to take responsibility for it.

Evidently the useage of 'climate change' has some important function that is not immediately clear to the person who hears it.
I am doing what now? Using language you don't understand? Let's be clear with this. Nobody I have talked to about climate change (insert at least 100 PhD scientific researchers here - mostly NOT climate scientists however, but chemists, physicists, etc) has ever told me they are frustrated by my lake of clarity on the subject. You are being facetious or your understanding of common terms in this field is insufficient. To blame it on me is laughable. I admit I could proof read before submitting but I'm pretty sure you know what I am typing).

The common meaning of the term "climate change" when used in the context of CO2 levels and the theory of human induced global warming is VERY clear. If you don't know what this means then why are you here?

You strike me as the person going through airport security with contraband, when you get caught you say "I no speak the English".

Clear enough for you?
Shadow
1 Nov 2012, 01:50 PM
Humans contribute to CO2 emissions, but we don't know exactly how CO2 levels impact the climate in general, and we don't (and never will) have sufficient data to be able to determine whether or not recent changes in the climate (temperatures, sea levels, extreme weather events, ice caps etc) are unusual compared to historical cycles over the past few billion years.
FAIL - answer the question.
miw
1 Nov 2012, 12:59 PM
A scientific institution has no business managing the message in the first place. They should leave that to the politicians.
Now I KNOW you're trolling.
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Andrew Judd
1 Nov 2012, 02:59 PM
We do not know what proportion of current climate change is due to humans

Your language is unscientific and therefore confusing



Three-Quarters of Climate Change Is Man-Made
An independent study quantifies the human and natural contributions, with solar radiation contributing only minimally

Natural climate variability is extremely unlikely to have contributed more than about one-quarter of the temperature rise observed in the past 60 years, reports a pair of Swiss climate modelers in a paper published online December 4. Most of the observed warming—at least 74 percent—is almost certainly due to human activity, they write in Nature Geoscience.

Their findings, which are strikingly similar to results produced by other attribution methods, provide an alternative line of evidence that greenhouse gases, and in particular carbon dioxide, are by far the main culprit of recent global warming. The massive increase of atmospheric CO2 concentrations since pre-industrial times would, in fact, have caused substantially more surface warming were it not for the cooling effects of atmospheric aerosols such as black carbon, they report.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=three-quarters-of-climate
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2 Nov 2012, 07:14 PM
I am doing what now? Using language you don't understand? Let's be clear with this. Nobody I have talked to about climate change (insert at least 100 PhD scientific researchers here - mostly NOT climate scientists however, but chemists, physicists, etc) has ever told me they are frustrated by my lake of clarity on the subject. You are being facetious or your understanding of common terms in this field is insufficient. To blame it on me is laughable. I admit I could proof read before submitting but I'm pretty sure you know what I am typing).

The common meaning of the term "climate change" when used in the context of CO2 levels and the theory of human induced global warming is VERY clear. If you don't know what this means then why are you here?

You strike me as the person going through airport security with contraband, when you get caught you say "I no speak the English".

Clear enough for you?

FAIL - answer the question.

Now I KNOW you're trolling.
You seem to be so wrapped up in this topic that you cannot see it clearly.

Why say climate change when you mean AGW? If i am confused by your language how many other people are confused?

Why accuse people of trolling because they object to people misusing their positions to manage a political agenda instead of only focusing on scientificly validated accuracy? Phil Jones and Co were caught red handed attempting to pervert scientific accuracy. How on earth can you even begin to justify that??




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2 Nov 2012, 07:26 PM
Three-Quarters of Climate Change Is Man-Made
An independent study quantifies the human and natural contributions, with solar radiation contributing only minimally

Natural climate variability is extremely unlikely to have contributed more than about one-quarter of the temperature rise observed in the past 60 years, reports a pair of Swiss climate modelers in a paper published online December 4. Most of the observed warming—at least 74 percent—is almost certainly due to human activity, they write in Nature Geoscience.

Their findings, which are strikingly similar to results produced by other attribution methods, provide an alternative line of evidence that greenhouse gases, and in particular carbon dioxide, are by far the main culprit of recent global warming. The massive increase of atmospheric CO2 concentrations since pre-industrial times would, in fact, have caused substantially more surface warming were it not for the cooling effects of atmospheric aerosols such as black carbon, they report.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=three-quarters-of-climate
I am sure you know the difference between a claim and something that can be said to be scientifically accurate
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Andrew Judd
2 Nov 2012, 07:29 PM
I am sure you know the difference between a claim and something that can be said to be scientifically accurate
You mean like multiple independent scientific studies vs. some guy on the Internet?
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2 Nov 2012, 07:47 PM
You mean like multiple independent scientific studies vs. some guy on the Internet?
There are multiple independant studies all saying different things

You must know that?

Or are you really so easily fooled?
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Andrew Judd
2 Nov 2012, 07:49 PM
There are multiple independant studies all saying different things

You must know that?

Or are you really so easily fooled?
Well, when it comes to overwhelming scientific consensus vs. some guy on the Internet who limply insults people, I think I'll go with the scientists.

But please feel free to makes some more insults if you think it will bolster your argument.
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