You forgot to mention that those facts are backed by the overwhelming scientific consensus.
You are again attemping to distort reality.
Shadow probably fits in with the overwhelming scientific consensus that C02 levels must have some influence on the climate and humans have increased C02 and must have influenced the climate. That is the overwhelming consensus.
Yet you're strangely unable to provide any evidence of this consensus on the extent to which humans are responsible for changes in the global climate.
I don't know what the situation is in regard to the consensus on the extent. Are you looking for something like x% of the scientific consensus believe that humans are 90% responsible and y% believe that humans are 80% responsible? I am not sure where to get that info to be honest. Would be keen to see it if you can find it though.
Andrew Judd
31 Oct 2012, 04:37 PM
The rest is just a big argument.
With one side of the argument having significant evidence to back it up plus overwhelming support from the experts in that field.
You forgot to mention that those facts are backed by the overwhelming scientific consensus.
Scientific consensus leaves me unmoved. The laws of the universe are not subject to a vote, but ARC grants are. There are many examples where the scientific consensus was dead wrong. 2 good examples from medicine are the ridicule that was heaped on the guy who first proposed that stomach ulcers were caused by camphylobacter and our own Ian Frazer who was considered eccentric for his thesis that cervical cancer was caused by the human papilloma virus.
The good news is that usually they eventually get to the right answer. I don't think we can say definitively that that has happened with climate change yet. Maybe in 10 years....
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Scientific consensus leaves me unmoved. The laws of the universe are not subject to a vote, but ARC grants are. There are many examples where the scientific consensus was dead wrong. 2 good examples from medicine are the ridicule that was heaped on the guy who first proposed that stomach ulcers were caused by camphylobacter and our own Ian Frazer who was considered eccentric for his thesis that cervical cancer was caused by the human papilloma virus.
The good news is that usually they eventually get to the right answer. I don't think we can say definitively that that has happened with climate change yet. Maybe in 10 years....
Interesting point.
If it is a choice from learning about climate change from climate scientists or Ian Plimer and Lord Monckton, I will take the climate scientists all day every day.
Funding is also an interesting point. Who do you think would be funding the the denialsts?
The point that I think climate change sceptics miss it that it is scientists' job to be sceptical in the first place.
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