Most of the effect of C02 is in the bands water absorbs in.
Diagrams showing the impact of C02 are always used with very low water content.
What we see is hype and more hype.
Will more C02 result in a warmer earth? Yes. By how much? Nobody knows.
Got some bad news for you Andrew, no CO2 and we'll have almost no water vapor in the air. Without CO2 the water vapor would be all frozen on the ground because the average surface temperature would be -19C. This is called water vapor feedback.
The reason being that the boiling point of water is way higher than typical temperatures on the Earth. This is because air pressure alone will liquify water vapor in the meaningful temperature range. The same way air pressure alone liquifies LPG but not LNG at typical temperatures. LPG and Water vapor are both in a transitional state.
Where as CO2 is way above its boiling point, hence will remain in a gaseous state. It's questionable whether water vapor can even be called a gas, because will tend to vary in percentage in the atmosphere depending on altitude.
This is why CO2 is the master global warming element. More CO2 and you also get more water vapor because of the increasing temperature.
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It's questionable whether water vapor can even be called a gas
water is only in a gaseous state when above 100c at 1 earth atmosphere. it's also clear, look at a kettle, the steam you see is not a gas, only the clear part directly in front of the spout is actually a gas. there's a few "gases" like this, such as SO3. I know because they can't be detected with regular gas sensors.
the idea that CO2 drives climate is total bunk.
if CO2 is the driver, why is temperature not tracking it? Yes i agree it has an impact and humans have had an impact of our climate - I tiny tiny impact, that would not be observable. the idea that alarmists push that bush fires and cyclones are the work of our tiny 2% contribution to CO2 is a total disgrace.
I am the love child of Tony Abbott and Pauline Hanson
Got some bad news for you Andrew, no CO2 and we'll have almost no water vapor in the air. Without CO2 the water vapor would be all frozen on the ground because the average surface temperature would be -19C. This is called water vapor feedback.
The reason being that the boiling point of water is way higher than typical temperatures on the Earth. This is because air pressure alone will liquify water vapor in the meaningful temperature range. The same way air pressure alone liquifies LPG but not LNG at typical temperatures. LPG and Water vapor are both in a transitional state.
Where as CO2 is way above its boiling point, hence will remain in a gaseous state. It's questionable whether water vapor can even be called a gas, because will tend to vary in percentage in the atmosphere depending on altitude.
This is why CO2 is the master global warming element. More CO2 and you also get more water vapor because of the increasing temperature.
Even in the driest place on Earth at Dome C Antarctica there is a significant amount of precipital water in the air.
A phase diagram of water is a bit misleading. Ie if you reduce the pressure sufficiently you can boil water when there is ice present at a temperature just above the triple point of water of 0.01C. Ie at that low pressure and at 0.01C the three states are in equilibrium, but in reality at atmospheric pressure, water vapour or the gas of water is present at all temperatures below 100C where water has a partial vapour pressure above either ice or water and only has a partial vapour pressure of one atmosphere at 100C when it boils.
Albedo of snow and ice is mainly a high frequency IR phenomena. Snow and Ice still absorb significant amount of low frequency IR so a snow ball earth is not possible with anything like current amounts of solar radiation.
If the earth warms it will be less dry in places like Antarctica and will snow more. Northern Greenland, Alaska and Canada are essentially dry places and have very little snow compared to areas like for example the South Eastern coast of Greenland which gets 400 inches of snow a year.
Take the hype out of global warming and there is not much substance
Even in the driest place on Earth at Dome C Antarctica there is a significant amount of precipital water in the air.
No there isn't! The Arctic and Antarctic are deserts. Very little precipitation.
This is in the imperial scale, but shows how rapidly the moisture content of the air declines with decreasing temperature. At 76 F which we'd call a comfortable temperature 1000 cubic feet of air has a holding capacity of 1.5 pounds of water. Go to freezing point the capacity has fallen to 1/5 or 0.30 pounds.
Go to -5F which is the standard surface temperature with no atmospheric CO2 and the capacity is 0.05 pounds.
Grow a brain please!
timmy
29 Oct 2012, 06:12 PM
water is only in a gaseous state when above 100c at 1 earth atmosphere. it's also clear, look at a kettle, the steam you see is not a gas, only the clear part directly in front of the spout is actually a gas. there's a few "gases" like this, such as SO3. I know because they can't be detected with regular gas sensors.
the idea that CO2 drives climate is total bunk.
if CO2 is the driver, why is temperature not tracking it? Yes i agree it has an impact and humans have had an impact of our climate - I tiny tiny impact, that would not be observable. the idea that alarmists push that bush fires and cyclones are the work of our tiny 2% contribution to CO2 is a total disgrace.
No there isn't! The Arctic and Antarctic are deserts. Very little precipitation.
This is in the imperial scale, but shows how rapidly the moisture content of the air declines with decreasing temperature. At 76 F which we'd call a comfortable temperature 1000 cubic feet of air has a holding capacity of 1.5 pounds of water. Go to freezing point the capacity has fallen to 1/5 or 0.30 pounds.
Go to -5F which is the standard surface temperature with no atmospheric CO2 and the capacity is 0.05 pounds.
Grow a brain please!
The polar areas contain a significant amount of water vapour even though they are the driest places on earth
The gas of water is always present above ice or water.
if CO2 is the driver, why is temperature not tracking it? Yes i agree it has an impact and humans have had an impact of our climate - I tiny tiny impact, that would not be observable. the idea that alarmists push that bush fires and cyclones are the work of our tiny 2% contribution to CO2 is a total disgrace.
I know very little on the topic, but I'd be zooming out a fair bit beyond the 15 years that you've shown in order to look for any correlation.
I know very little on the topic, but I'd be zooming out a fair bit beyond the 15 years that you've shown in order to look for any correlation.
Why should i when it was good enough for the ipcc
Count du Monet
29 Oct 2012, 08:33 PM
No there isn't! The Arctic and Antarctic are deserts. Very little precipitation.
This is in the imperial scale, but shows how rapidly the moisture content of the air declines with decreasing temperature. At 76 F which we'd call a comfortable temperature 1000 cubic feet of air has a holding capacity of 1.5 pounds of water. Go to freezing point the capacity has fallen to 1/5 or 0.30 pounds.
Go to -5F which is the standard surface temperature with no atmospheric CO2 and the capacity is 0.05 pounds.
Grow a brain please! This chart is better.
That chart does not address that co2 fails to track temp.
Why should i when it was good enough for the ipcc That chart does not address that co2 fails to track temp.
How would you know anything about science Timmy?
It's like the Untied Fuckwits of Australia in Chamberlain case. Half of Australia decided she was guilty because they figured a Dingo couldn't do it, they all became self appointed Dingo experts overnight. Of course they couldn't judge anything because they were all retards.
Now that Science tells you things you don't like, you all become climate experts overnight.
What you don't like is responsibility for you actions. Your attitude to the Earth is that it is just a big toilet bowl and piss in it and shit in it and tomorrow it will be there waiting for more.
Denial of responsibility is one of the hall marks of insanity.
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To understand recent years in the broader context of long term climate trends, one needs to look at the temperature record over several decades. By comparing carbon dioxide levels to temperature from 1964 to 2008, it becomes apparent that even during a long term warming trend, there are short periods of cooling.
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The Arctic and Antarctic are deserts. Very little precipitation.
