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5 Dec 2011, 09:57 PM
So what percentage of animals do you think it would be ok to let go who are not able to adapt ? 5%, 50% ?
What percentage of animals evolved as a result of climate change?

(Answer = 100%)
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5 Dec 2011, 10:15 PM
Actually, quite a large number of people -- scientists, rather than whatever it is you claim to be -- have posited answers to my question.

One can legitimately question their theories, models, or data, provided one has alternative theories, models, or data to put forth--and defend.

But to abstract or dismiss the state of debate as "nobody knows" is a non-answer, contributing ignorance rather than illumination to the discourse.
Some questions can be answered with certainty. There is a definite answer... an answer than can be proven and tested.

However, the scientists you describe have only theories. Theories that many other scientists disagree with.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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5 Dec 2011, 10:24 PM
Some questions can be answered with certainty. There is a definite answer... an answer than can be proven and tested.

However, the scientists you describe have only theories. Theories that many other scientists disagree with.
You haven't really been keeping up with Karl Popper, have you?
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5 Dec 2011, 10:14 PM
The evidence for the earth not being flat was not cut and dry for quite a long time... many people thought sailing off the edge of the earth would be fatal. The growing body of evidence did, at some point, make it less and less likely that sailing to the edge of the earth should be linked to bad effects... there are, however, still scientists who claim that the earth is flat.

This explains your underlying problem... you see the science of flat earth as being as important as the science of possible human causes to climate change.

I cited a couple of examples of major pollutants that were debated as linked to causing massive damage to the environment or directly to humans. ... you cited a scientific discovery on the world being round. :rolleyes:

If you are unable to differentiate between a theory that may lead to great discoveries and a theory that may prevent a global calamity then your mind is already far too narrowly closed to bother discussing the matter with you.

You will forever keep focusing on knee capping those pesky people's front of judea so you can win your important points and thus, save the world in your own manner...

It's always a shame to see extremists on the same side fight.
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Shadow's attempt to edit his 2010 chart in 2015 and replace it with one that does not show a crash in 2013 http://s836.photobucket.com/user/rastus22/media/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-06%20at%207.12.52%20pm_1.png.html
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5 Dec 2011, 10:24 PM
Some questions can be answered with certainty. There is a definite answer... an answer than can be proven and tested.

However, the scientists you describe have only theories. Theories that many other scientists disagree with.

Here is a very basic question for you Shadow..

What percentage of scientists do you need to agree before you consider it likely that human impact on climate change is greater than minimal ?

50 % ?

70 %

90 %

or do you require every person who claims to be a scientist on the planet to agree wholeheartedly on the matter before you consider it likely ?

What % do you think agree on climate change being due to human activity ?
Shadow - Defrauded his Bank ? 2015 I have 9 different loans and my bank had no idea which ones were personal and which were investment. They had half of them classed incorrectly. When this change came in they asked me to tell them if any personal loans were incorrectly classed as investment, which I did, and they switched them to personal for the lower rate. They also had a couple of investment loans incorrectly classed as personal. They didn't ask me about those. So they stay on the lower rate too. Worked out pretty well. :)
Shadow - 2008 Sydney Median House Price 1.25M by 2014-2015

Shadow : I think this boom has already begun in several cities. My prediction :
Peak of boom: 2014-2015. Sydney Median Price: $1,250,000 Bottom of bust: 2017-2018. Sydney Median Price: $1,100,000

Shadow's Original 2010 House Boom and Crash prediction http://s836.photobucket.com/user/rastus22/media/shady-orig-2010-chart.png.html?sort=3&o=0

Shadow's attempt to edit his 2010 chart in 2015 and replace it with one that does not show a crash in 2013 http://s836.photobucket.com/user/rastus22/media/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-06%20at%207.12.52%20pm_1.png.html
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5 Dec 2011, 10:58 PM
If you are unable to differentiate between a theory that may lead to great discoveries and a theory that may prevent a global calamity then your mind is already far too narrowly closed to bother discussing the matter with you.
I'm not unable to differentiate between them, though it appears you may be. Lots of things 'may prevent a global calamity' ... should we spend huge amounts of time, money and resources on all of them... how about spending trillions deploying massive lasers in space to blast away potentially devastating asteroids?
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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5 Dec 2011, 11:03 PM
Here is a very basic question for you Shadow..

What percentage of scientists do you need to agree before you consider it likely that human impact on climate change is greater than minimal ?
Just one scientist would be fine.

It would only require one scientist to provide verifiable evidence showing with reasonable accuracy what proportion of climate change is caused by humans.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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5 Dec 2011, 11:11 PM
I'm not unable to differentiate between them, though it appears you may be. Lots of things 'may prevent a global calamity' ... should we spend huge amounts of time, money and resources on all of them... how about spending trillions deploying massive lasers in space to blast away potentially devastating asteroids?
Trillion-dollar straw man alert!!!

(Sorry if the massive laser deployment was your pet project, Shadow. It's so difficult to determine whether you actually believe in anything at all, beyond inexorable rises in Australian RE prices.)
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5 Dec 2011, 11:17 PM
Trillion-dollar straw man alert!!!

(Sorry if the massive laser deployment was your pet project, Shadow. It's so difficult to determine whether you actually believe in anything at all, beyond inexorable rises in Australian RE prices.)
I don't believe in inexorable rises in Australian RE prices - that's just another one of your straw man arguments.
1. Epic Fail! Steve Keen's Bad Calls and Predictions.
2. Residential property loans regulated by NCCP Act. Banks can't margin call unless borrower defaults.
3. Housing is second highest taxed sector of Australian Economy. Renters subsidised by highly taxed homeowners.
4. Ongoing improvement in housing affordability. Australian household formation faster than population growth since 1960s.
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5 Dec 2011, 11:11 PM
I'm not unable to differentiate between them, though it appears you may be. Lots of things 'may prevent a global calamity' ... should we spend huge amounts of time, money and resources on all of them... how about spending trillions deploying massive lasers in space to blast away potentially devastating asteroids?

au contraire,

It was you who cited the less than calamity driven 'flat earth' to give as an example, not I. It was perhaps just a fopaux on your part.

Since you bring up the topic of asteroid(s)

If we had a high enough % of scientists agreeing on the likelihood that a huge asteroid was going to hit, then I would at least open my mind to the possibility that it is time to consider spending some money on the project.

What would be your position ?

From your posts it seem that you would simply state that asteroids have hit the earth in the past and while the dinosors were wiped out, we evolved from that calamity just fine so we should work on other more pressing issues ?
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Shadow - Defrauded his Bank ? 2015 I have 9 different loans and my bank had no idea which ones were personal and which were investment. They had half of them classed incorrectly. When this change came in they asked me to tell them if any personal loans were incorrectly classed as investment, which I did, and they switched them to personal for the lower rate. They also had a couple of investment loans incorrectly classed as personal. They didn't ask me about those. So they stay on the lower rate too. Worked out pretty well. :)
Shadow - 2008 Sydney Median House Price 1.25M by 2014-2015

Shadow : I think this boom has already begun in several cities. My prediction :
Peak of boom: 2014-2015. Sydney Median Price: $1,250,000 Bottom of bust: 2017-2018. Sydney Median Price: $1,100,000

Shadow's Original 2010 House Boom and Crash prediction http://s836.photobucket.com/user/rastus22/media/shady-orig-2010-chart.png.html?sort=3&o=0

Shadow's attempt to edit his 2010 chart in 2015 and replace it with one that does not show a crash in 2013 http://s836.photobucket.com/user/rastus22/media/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-06%20at%207.12.52%20pm_1.png.html
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